Gemmill 63188 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15589 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 43 minutes ago, Gemmill said: He could well be in touch with you at some point, he mentions "getting on the grass" with the boys quite a lot !!!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63188 Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 5 hours ago, Toonpack said: He could well be in touch with you at some point, he mentions "getting on the grass" with the boys quite a lot !!!! He's welcome here any day. We'll get chonged and stick Ice Cube's War of the Worlds on. I reckon it'd be bang up his street. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28541 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 Last night at the FT whistle you saw the togetherness between Ramsdale and Pope. Ramsdale was made up with Pope's performance. I can see us signing him long term as Popes eventual replacement. He looks happy here and part of the team despite not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63188 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 He's good mates with Janet as well, pet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Monkeys Fist 50731 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 6 hours ago, ohhh_yeah said: Pickford hates this pic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28541 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 Thought he was solid yesterday with his distribution. Didn't have much to do otherwise. Might be just me but the back four seemed more relaxed passing to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 9340 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 Aye, he doesn't command his box as well as Pope, and Pope is probably better in 1-1s and stopping shots, but on balance I still think being calm under pressure and being able to pass a ball outweighs the rest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22493 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 5 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Aye, he doesn't command his box as well as Pope, and Pope is probably better in 1-1s and stopping shots, but on balance I still think being calm under pressure and being able to pass a ball outweighs the rest. So if he drops a couple in the net on Tuesday it's ok because he can kick the ball into orbit/to a winger? It's likely that neither are good enough. Ramsdale is only on loan which leaves the door still open for Trafford at some point... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27780 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 (edited) Strikes me at the moment the key positions where quality is in short supply (in the league generally) are elite goal keepers and strikers. Also the positions that arguably make the most impact on a match. Hope Ramsdale does well and keeps his place. I like Pope as a person I think, but he's the spit of a mate of mine who can barely tie his own shoe laces. Edited November 30 by Renton 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42149 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 I think that, irrespective of who is the better keeper, Pope needed dropping for his own good after the recent run of form. And we do actually have a good backup keeper which allows for that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15589 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 We saw it last season when Pope was injured and Dubs played, Dubs may not have made some saves that Pope probably would have, but his distribution was so much better he arguably had less saves to make because we weren't turning the ball over so deep because of his better feet and Ramsdale's kicking/feet skills are on a whole different level to Dubs. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10605 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 11 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Aye, he doesn't command his box as well as Pope, and Pope is probably better in 1-1s and stopping shots, but on balance I still think being calm under pressure and being able to pass a ball outweighs the rest. This is really mosly due to Pope being a few inches taller and a bigger frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 5429 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 6 minutes ago, OTF said: This is really mosly due to Pope being a few inches taller and a bigger frame. Nah, it’s always about decision making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10605 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 1 hour ago, strawb said: Nah, it’s always about decision making. Yes, and you can make different decisions if you're taller and bigger than all of the opposing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 5429 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 8 hours ago, OTF said: Yes, and you can make different decisions if you're taller and bigger than all of the opposing players. Think Pope is 2/3” bigger than Ramsdale, so it’s not making much difference once you take into account arms and jumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10605 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 1 hour ago, strawb said: Think Pope is 2/3” bigger than Ramsdale, so it’s not making much difference once you take into account arms and jumping. 2/3" is 0.7cm or do you mean 2-3" (5-7.5cm). There's apparently 10cm difference in their heights; 1.88 versus 1.98m. But the key differentiator is that Nick Pope is taller than pretty much all outfield players in the league (apart from being the same height as one in our team and slightly shorter than another in our team!). Whereas just about all teams have a couple of players as tall or taller than Ramsdale. There's more difference when you take into to account arms as the taller you are generally the longer your arms (Pickford aside). Height is generally a big advantage for keepers as long as they're still relatively agile and can get down. My point is that Pope has an advantage in regards to commanding the box and Ramsdale will never be able to overcome that. That said I don't think Pope is particularly great at commanding the box given his size, he should be catching more than he does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 26343 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 25 minutes ago, OTF said: 2/3" is 0.7cm or do you mean 2-3" (5-7.5cm). There's apparently 10cm difference in their heights; 1.88 versus 1.98m. But the key differentiator is that Nick Pope is taller than pretty much all outfield players in the league (apart from being the same height as one in our team and slightly shorter than another in our team!). Whereas just about all teams have a couple of players as tall or taller than Ramsdale. There's more difference when you take into to account arms as the taller you are generally the longer your arms (Pickford aside). Height is generally a big advantage for keepers as long as they're still relatively agile and can get down. My point is that Pope has an advantage in regards to commanding the box and Ramsdale will never be able to overcome that. That said I don't think Pope is particularly great at commanding the box given his size, he should be catching more than he does. he's been punching way too many catchable balls lately. his confidence looks shot and it was the right time to give ramsdale a chance, whether pope's injury is real or not. the only way to see whether we would miss pope's shot-stopping and command of his box is to give ramsdale a chance. i like what i've seen from him in his limited minutes so far. we know what pope's strengths and weaknesses are already. long-term i don't know if either of them is the solution. got a feeling we might return for trafford in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63188 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 I was listening to something yesterday talking about their relative shotstopping. I think they were looking at something like goals conceded vs post shot xG, and basically out of the 44 keepers that have played a certain number of games in the PL, over the last X number of games, (can't remember the exact number), Pope was 9th and Ramsdale was 40th. So he would appear to be objectively better at shot stopping, of the two of them. I still think he needed a break though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 9900 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 Pope is the better keeper (bar feet). He is just having a bad patch. Thats mainly due to the decisions he is making so its not an ability thing. He also positions himself quite well so making difficult saves look routine. Id personally like us to go for a big upgrade in the Summer. Kobel would be my pick but I suspect we'll go back in for Trafford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10605 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 42 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: he's been punching way too many catchable balls lately. his confidence looks shot and it was the right time to give ramsdale a chance, whether pope's injury is real or not. the only way to see whether we would miss pope's shot-stopping and command of his box is to give ramsdale a chance. i like what i've seen from him in his limited minutes so far. we know what pope's strengths and weaknesses are already. long-term i don't know if either of them is the solution. got a feeling we might return for trafford in the summer. Agree totally, I don't think either are our mid-long term solution. Pope has been great for us in patches but he's too volatile and has directly cost us on multiple occassions. Ramsdale historically is also prone to mistakes and isn't big enough in an Eddie Howe team. Trafford is still a good shout, he's more or less the same height as Pope and is better with the ball at his feet. Man City having signed Donnarumma on a 5 year deal puts pay to him making a claim for top spot there so for every good reason he'll be wanting to go somewhere where he will genuinely be backed to be first choice. For that he won't get a higher profile option than us. Do wonder what sort of wages he'd be on at City and how much they'd be looking at for the transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 12379 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 26 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said: Id personally like us to go for a big upgrade in the Summer. Kobel would be my pick but I suspect we'll go back in for Trafford. You're touching on the key point for me. The next keeper needs to be a massive upgrade. Trafford for me is a bit of a side-step. He has potential, but there's no guarantee it'll be realised. Maybe someone like Unai Simon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10605 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: I was listening to something yesterday talking about their relative shotstopping. I think they were looking at something like goals conceded vs post shot xG, and basically out of the 44 keepers that have played a certain number of games in the PL, over the last X number of games, (can't remember the exact number), Pope was 9th and Ramsdale was 40th. So he would appear to be objectively better at shot stopping, of the two of them. I still think he needed a break though. Pope indisputably makes some brilliant saves through his positioning, reach and anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 18035 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 20 minutes ago, Craig said: You're touching on the key point for me. The next keeper needs to be a massive upgrade. Trafford for me is a bit of a side-step. He has potential, but there's no guarantee it'll be realised. Maybe someone like Unai Simon. Even if Trafford is a side-step, he's a 10 years younger than Pope side-step, so that's not bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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