Daftarse 72 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dazzler said: Aye I still laugh when I look back on the years Arsenal spent struggling in the championship after he signed for them. The halcyon days. Chesterfield, Southampton, Sheff United and Bournemouth like this 🥳 Edited November 9 by Daftarse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63116 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: “He won us a pot” There are thousands of Geordies who have died not seeing that Pot. Great managers with far bigger budgets have not seen that pot. Howe puts himself under pressure every day of the week from 6am til late. He is fanatical, a perfectionist and doesn’t try and blame others. We have never had a manager graft so hard for our club. He has more than deserved to have an off season along the way, even though I firmly believe a lot of it has been not of his making. I love Hall, but I get than Howe is under a lot of pressure to wrap him in egg shells. He said as much last week. After Burns goal a few days ago and so few coming from elsewhere, you can see why he has persisted with him. 100% Hall should have been on sooner. I said so earlier. But people thinking the end is nigh should think about not only what came before, but also what success a lot of other clubs have had on the manager merry go round. Well said CT. FINALLY got the hang of this football lark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 5996 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 He took what I said to heart, bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 5996 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 34 minutes ago, beatty said: Should say that some absolute nomarks on a internet forum telling me to go fuck my sister is completely irrelevant. Who gives a fuck about people like that I said I was done so I apologize. But a couple of us also bought your mum into it. Just wanted all the facts on the table so we can properly hang our heads in shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wykikitoon 28509 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said: The midfield don’t have control of the game either. I think this cut throat style of play over a possession based only gets you so far. Not that I’m suggesting we get rid of Howe ofc. I love the bloke. Not sure what the answer is. Maybe the players just are playing shite. Aye. Compared to last season we seem soft AF. Eddie in his post match presser talking about them being physical. We have a load of big lads and they seem weak as piss at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woltemagic 109 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 19 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: “He won us a pot” There are thousands of Geordies who have died not seeing that Pot. Great managers with far bigger budgets have not seen that pot. Howe puts himself under pressure every day of the week from 6am til late. He is fanatical, a perfectionist and doesn’t try and blame others. We have never had a manager graft so hard for our club. He has more than deserved to have an off season along the way, even though I firmly believe a lot of it has been not of his making. I love Hall, but I get than Howe is under a lot of pressure to wrap him in egg shells. He said as much last week. After Burns goal a few days ago and so few coming from elsewhere, you can see why he has persisted with him. 100% Hall should have been on sooner. I said so earlier. But people thinking the end is nigh should think about not only what came before, but also what success a lot of other clubs have had on the manager merry go round. I said Howe shouldn’t get sacked. But he’s should be criticised and that’s just part of the job. He can come up with the answers and top managers do. There is no guarantee that Howe stays for a long time either. We have the backers and we are growing. So Howe needs to do so also. Which I think he will by learning by his mistakes. He has to stop being stubborn. I think he has his favourites but he’s now wearing big boy trousers and as such should make the right calls. What he is currently doing is playing the same formation and players week in week out if players are fit. He doesn’t have a plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14232 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 5 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: so he fucking should. the useless cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woltemagic 109 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Aye. Compared to last season we seem soft AF. Eddie in his post match presser talking about them being physical. We have a load of big lads and they seem weak as piss at the moment. Yes I agree 100%. I think that season where we had 75 injuries because we played with intensity has changed his mind. Now we piss about with the ball with slow build up play. Howe needs to go back to the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28509 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 15 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: He's hurting there, but that response to why he didnt take Burn off was weak. Pretty much saying we become a group of midgets. Fuck off man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28509 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Also re Pope with concussion. How wasn't he hooked straight away. We have fucking shit physios 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6690 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 11 minutes ago, Woltemagic said: He doesn’t have a plan B. So what is the plan B. Our best 2 fullbacks and number 9 have been missing. Ramsay has been injured and Elanga looks lost. Im not really sure he’s had much of a deck to shuffle that would make very much difference to our lack of goals. Its just a perfect storm of a shit sandwich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22469 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 (edited) Everyone at the Gtech were rightly calling out the failure to take Burn off and bring Hall on after the first penalty incident and I note that everyone on X and on here did too. During the second pen stramash I noticed with a fair amount of incredulity that Ramsdale was stripped so am presuming Pope got injured in the incident where Igor (?) up ended him after he'd caught the ball rather than just changing the keeper before a penalty kick? Pope let them back in going for that punch, if he'd let the defenders deal with it the ball may not even have got back to Schade for the shot. They didn't do much for their win, they're big fit and physical and pressed us a lot in the first half, we really couldn't get out apart from the odd occasion. Big Nick has been sussed, put two defenders on him and he can't get his natural game going..he's still learning his trade though and certainly not writing the lad off. Am not sure if players returning from injury including Wissa will improve us much. There's too many not playing well; the captain included, he seems to have lost his resistance to the press. Might be temporary. Wissa will as usual under Eddie be eased in. But with Europe in play drilling the squad on the training ground is very tricky in the busiest part of the season. It's becoming a bit of a fucking mess but certainly not irretrievable. We'll see how good a manager Howe is in the time between now and when we play the mackems Edited November 9 by PaddockLad 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 1058 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 It's puzzling as why the relatively same team that's doing well in the European & League cups. Can't make it click in the Premiership. We seem to start so well (early goals) yet don't seem to be able to kick on & kill the game off. We'res the pressing gone ? The fast as lightening runs down the wings (We have arguably the 2 fastest players in thhe Premiership with Elanga & Gordon) Wether we're at home or away we should be beating teams like West Ham & Brentford in any competition. Next up in the Premiership we have Man City & it's rightly been pointed out we could well be in the relegation zone. I don't know what the answer is but what ever it is hopefully it can get sorted pretty soon or we'll end up in deep shit. Btw ibs5ill think Howe's the right man for the manager's job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22469 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 9 minutes ago, trooper said: It's puzzling as why the relatively same team that's doing well in the European & League cups. Can't make it click in the Premiership. You don't need to run at full pelt like an Olympic standard 400m runner for 105 minutes to finish in the champions league spots in any of the other main leagues in Europe. Look at the Benfica and Bilbao games, our sheet physicality won both of them for us. After tight first halves foreign teams lack the energy to do to us what we do to them. Brentford it's fair to say didn't allow that to happen. Theres more skill in our team but they stifled the life out of us in the press today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 5422 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Think there is a couple of things going on here. Howe needs to figure out some patterns of play in games where we are the “favourites”, we had a good couple of years being the “underdogs” in a lot of games which suited his tactics and the players we had/have bought. But now teams realise we struggle with the ball, they give it to us and break on us. We need to be better in possession basically. I also think a lot of teams now are playing percentage football, i.e playing how we used to play. But they are more clinical than us at the moment, due to bad form from us. Think Eddie needs to ignore the sports scientists for a while, get the lads onto the training pitch and actually work with them and not just prepare for the next game. If we lose a few with muscle injuries, we have a decent enough squad now to cope with it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8347 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Howe's comments there.. that we were technically lacking and giving the ball away and so on. I don't think (could be wrong though) that we were doing that moreso than usual. I don't think we were completely terrible there as we were against West Ham, we even had some very nice passages of play which showed what we can do when we lock into gear - the persistent issue was Burn being exposed (and general shakiness in a defense that has stopped looking like it trusts each other). Eddie's answer there seems to be that with Joe going off and the way Brentford play, he felt we needed the height to compete with their approach. so he left Burn on to deal with the long throws. At least that sort of makes sense in a way that isn't just "he's a favourite". Still the wrong call of course, we looked better by far with Hall in the picture on that side. When the fullback issue is resolved our defensive solidity will come back IMO. That doesn't solve everything, we still have questions in attack, but at the very least we'll have plugged one hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 5996 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 It could be something as simple as just not being able to cope with Europe again. I know we have a much better squad now but some of these performances are very similar to two years ago, at least we could blame injuries then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 17238 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Everything that we used to do really well is completely absent from our game. And there’s far too many players who are making far too many mistakes, putting in far too many subpar performances and literally nobody is playing well. There’s an absolutely insane amount of pressure on Wissa at this point too. If he doesn’t hit the ground running, it’s hard to see where too many goals are coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 17238 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 As much as I defend Pope, he had a fucking nightmare today. If he’s out for a decent amount of time, I can’t seen him getting back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28509 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 I think that chart ewerk speaks a lot. I asked a few weeks back about more rotation and was shut down. Joe has been dog shit this season. Gordon has been dog shit in the league. We shall see eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28509 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: As much as I defend Pope, he had a fucking nightmare today. If he’s out for a decent amount of time, I can’t seen him getting back in It's frustrating as some of the stuff he does shows why he was picked for England again. Then stuff like choosing to catch, punch or leave to defenders you scratch your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 17238 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: It's frustrating as some of the stuff he does shows why he was picked for England again. Then stuff like choosing to catch, punch or leave to defenders you scratch your head That’s two away PL games in a row where he’s been punching everything but on Wednesday, he was brave, confident and catching every cross. Makes you wonder if he’s being told to punch crosses? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurru991 84 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Everyone at the Gtech were rightly calling out the failure to take Burn off and bring Hall on after the first penalty incident and I note that everyone on X and on here did too. During the second pen stramash I noticed with a fair amount of incredulity that Ramsdale was stripped so am presuming Pope got injured in the incident where Igor (?) up ended him after he'd caught the ball rather than just changing the keeper before a penalty kick? Pope let them back in going for that punch, if he'd let the defenders deal with it the ball may not even have got back to Schade for the shot. They didn't do much for their win, they're big fit and physical and pressed us a lot in the first half, we really couldn't get out apart from the odd occasion. Big Nick has been sussed, put two defenders on him and he can't get his natural game going..he's still learning his trade though and certainly not writing the lad off. Am not sure if players returning from injury including Wissa will improve us much. There's too many not playing well; the captain included, he seems to have lost his resistance to the press. Might be temporary. Wissa will as usual under Eddie be eased in. But with Europe in play drilling the squad on the training ground is very tricky in the busiest part of the season. It's becoming a bit of a fucking mess but certainly not irretrievable. We'll see how good a manager Howe is in the time between now and when we play the mackems If other teams are doubling up on "Big Nick" that should mean that a team mate is wide open. Can't ask much more from a striker than that !! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 9890 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 3 minutes ago, gurru991 said: If other teams are doubling up on "Big Nick" that should mean that a team mate is wide open. Can't ask much more from a striker than that !! It’s doesn’t really work like that. He often has to occupy two CBs so when they know that he is going to come short every time they’ll both go with him and crowd him out. As mentioned our wingers don’t play high (like Salah) so they’ll just force us back down the pitch. i saw this numerous times today. Trippier was looking to get out but had to hit it into feet and the first CB just stepped in front of Big Nick. we can’t stretch teams with the current tactics I’m afraid. We either need to learn quickly or hope Wissa is the answer away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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