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Iran are more dangerous to us, as in UK, EU, than Israel. Of course they are. They're allied with Russia, close to China and frankly our number2 enemy. Israel are our ally. That doesn't detract or excuse their atrocities, but it's true nonetheless. I agree.

Anyway, only time will tell how effective these strikes were and what Iran does. The only guarantee at the moment seems to be that the next generation is going to grow up in a less safe world than we did.

Given what has happened in the last few years, if you think Iran is more dangerous than Israel, nothing I'll say will convince you otherwise. Yes they've engaged in proxy wars and deserve criticism for it but the list of countries that have done that is long and hardly reason to believe they'd use nukes willy nilly.

“The Iranians, a great bunch of lads”.

This ancient tweet has resurfaced.

Burnley have just signed a new keeper, so I guess we will see whether us, Chelsea or Man Utd get Trafford soon

Well, you certainly can't go there and decide for yourself. As far as authoritarian hell holes go, there aren't many worse countries imo.

"Naive" again. Man I hear that a lot on here, always makes me smile a bit given how things tend to go. Alright man, I surrender to your superior knowledge of the inner workings of the Iranian state and its motivations.

For all it's faults Israel is a democracy. Why don't you trust them with nuclear weapons, they literally have them and don't use them. I think you're being a bit naive on the Iranian government here. They haven't destroyed Israel because they are impotent. I don't want that to change. They will never be allies of the west as they are fundamentally opposed to western liberal democracy as a concept.

Howay, Iran has been fighting proxy wars and supporting terrorist groups for decades. They are a brutal authoritarian state that oppress their own people mercilessly. They also supply Russia with drones to kill Ukrainian civilians. Israel has never used nuclear weapons when they probably could have. Iran might be responsible custodians of a nuclear arsenal but erm, no thanks, I'd rather not have that risk. Not to say what has happened is right. It's not, and as you say is counterproductive.

If you honestly think Iran would nuke Israel and completely ensure its total annihilation in the process, I can't help you. I find the level of fear we all have about Islamic countries to be utterly insane given that we are the ones who have persecuted them up and down through history, for the past 200 years. I'd trust Iran with a nuke far more than Israel.

Well, there's only 2 instances of their use of course, both morally and ethically debatable and both from the US when they were "the good guys". I don't think any theocracy has successfully developed nukes before so your point is moot. None of Pakistan, India or Israel are outright theocracies, although the influence of religion is still a concern with these countries. But I know enough about Iran's government of Ayatollahs and Karmenai that I'd be very concerned were they to have the power to preemptively use fission bombs on Israel. Their stated unambiguous aim is the destruction of the zion state. Their Houthi allies which the mackems think are great lads literally have this written on their flag.

I wonder how it even happens. You reckon that these people get into office, finally understand how everything works and then think to themselves that they're simply too small to upset that many applecarts all at once?

Yeah that's what further lopsided, can anyone remember the last time Iran invaded another country? What's the count for the US and Israel again? I mean by all means get rid of nukes and then bomb the lone fecker that refuses to do it. You can't pick and choose. Especially when the only country that has nuked a civilian population and another one that refuses to sign the NPT and has undeclared nukes are telling others that they're the unstable ones

I'd still fully support it. Not seen anything that makes me think the religious are more uniquely predisposed to widespread brutality and catastrophe than anyone else. Indeed money and oil seem to be stronger drivers.

Useless BBC, spelled Sunderland wrong

Just back from a weekend in Hunstanton. Who needs pintxos in San Sebastian when you can be watching a ropey ABBA tribute band on an open-air stage in Sunny Hunny?

Erm, no. A nuclear armed Iran would be an existential threat for all of us with their connections with the Houthi, Hezbollah, and Hamas etc. WMD and religious zealotry are a bad combination. And yes, I am certainly including the US rapture crew in this, but we're a bit late there. The answer surprisingly was diplomacy. But now that has well and truly been shown to be a sham where Trump and the US are concerned, not to mention Israel who are now brazen liars not to be trusted. So Iran will be hell bent on getting nukes now regardless of the consequences.

It is indeed, no doubts there. I'd fully support a nuclear armed Iran tbh, it's the only way they can ensure they aren't fucked with.

I do find the Iranian theocratic government abhorrent but I don't disagree with what you say here. Iran is not at fault here. Definitely getting shades of this.

Invariably, long term it will produce more insurgency, Israel will never sleep at peace. And the US has destroyed whatever little credibility it had left, other nations will push for arms from China and we will all live in a much more dangerous world. Who knew arming and funding a genocidal maniac in the middle east could have resulted in this? Iran signed a deal that Trump tore up. Then they were negotiating with the US when Israel struck. Then they were negotiating with Europe when the US struck but they're the bad guys in all this supposedly. And look at the posturing from Israel and US too btw, "we've struck your nuclear facilities but now YOU must negotiate for peace or die" I mean ok This is nothing but modern colonialism and imperialism and eventually it will meet the same fate that all empires do.

That went a long time ago.