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Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and Spurs just did their older badges and they looked better for it but any genuinely new designs have been generally dumbed down. Yep.

If you're referring to this, then it's not as Villa's top is exactly the same (except it's obviously got their shitty badge where our crest is),

Liverpool haven't so much simplified their crest, they just reverted to what they used in the 1980s

No point in signing DCL. He's 28, he'll command pretty high wages, isn't a reliable goal scorer, and won't be available for half the season. Sooooo similar Callum Wilson then, who has at least been a reliable goal scorer. Delap is younger, plenty physical, looks a real prospect and will at least retain his value better than DCL. Evan Ferguson is an interesting shout, there must be a reason why he's nopt played as much. I'd guess it'll be partly due to injuries and partly due to being Irish and you know what they're like.

The geordie Wyki

That is fucking shocking, disgraceful if that's gone ahead!

Liverpool & Spurs simplified crests look way better tbh

To be fair 'football club' only ever appeared on our badge between 1976 and 1983. In terms of badges that have improved their predecessor I'd say Man City's has, but they pretty much reverted to an updated version of the one before it.

This is where Reagan & Thatcher’s “reforms” have ended up. We’re being hung out to dry by those this pair of cunts sold functioning government out to. Reform are going to have a significant say in our future. That means that process accelerating towards a future unlike those who have gone before us. A good few of us on here are in our 50s. Am willing to bet our retirements won’t be as comfortable as our parents’ are/were. And your kids and grandkids’ standard of living won’t be as high as ours. This is all planned.

Not enough camels to be honest...

It's nailed on to look shit, doesn't matter what they decide on ultimately. I loved the magpie in front of the castle, loved the NUFC badge, when the current one came out I thought it was brilliant, still loved the others though. But if you look at other modern updates on club crests I'm struggling to think of any that's been an improvement for whatever reason they give? It's almost a dumbing down because in this day and age modern technology can't handle copying an image? I reckon it be a bolder version of the shield where it looks like it pops out the screen/shirt/whatever with some token magpie or something with Newcastle United only or maybe just even NUFC? There'll be no 'football club' on it that's for definite.

Noted. Any HGV parking?

2-0 Coventry I reckon

I’m not even going to bother keeping an eye on the score tonight because let’s face it, They’ve already lost

My lass runs a procurement consultancy for schools - basically assisting them in tenders for services such as catering, cleaning, ICT, etc. She too makes this point about pay rises and said it was utterly ridiculous when the national wage was hiked significantly that there was no additional funding for the schools from government. Basically they had to pay the staff more with the same budgets meaning that resources that were already stupidly stretched were even more so.

Saw them complaining about the local news section on BBC Breakfast this morning. Apparently they mentioned Spennymoor Town playing in the FA Trophy final this weekend but failed to mention Sunderland’s playoff match tonight.

Wasn't there a lot of criticism of the embroidery of the crest on the Castore shirts? Particularly around the lettering and the lion atop the castle?

It would be good if we could have the new badge on the home shirt and the old badge on the away.

I can't get myself exercised about this. I wonder if this is part of the reason you can't even see the crest on some of the more recent gear though.

I’ve done the survey In conjunction with the FAB they’ve decided to upgrade the current badge and there’s a video explaining what each component part represents ie castle, lion/flag, sea horses, scroll with club name etc… so then they ask which of the components you think would be the most important on any new badge. They’re going to come up with a range of choices after this excercise then they’ll be a vote. Fairly sure any new design won’t be on next season’s strip but happy to be corrected by those who may know better. My preferred design would be something along these lines…

This is apparently doing the rounds ...

That’s a Modernist classic from where I’m sat

Just re-reading the statement on the club website, I wondering if it may already be designed and this exercise is little more than lip service to ward off any "you never involved the fans" backlash. The timing is relevant as with new shirt production imminent, they'll have to have the design signed off. Fan Advisory Board have clearly been consulted already and it's their call to survey the wider fan base but it's focused on 'what elements of the current badge are to be retained?'

The bottom line is most Western governments are just Ponzi schemes scraping by with all their credit cards maxed out. There’s very little any shade of politician can do “within the accepted rules” to change anything. Much higher taxes, privatising the NHS etc All the things no politician will properly go near because they want to hang around for another 5 years.