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Lies! Although he did look quite "cool" Also don't forget Bowie made the classic "Hello Newcastle" remark at Roker park. Deserves some kudos for that. 102486[/snapback] But he was a total cunt to John Peel. 102497[/snapback] Was he? I didn't know that. I'm not supporting anyone who was a cunt to old Peely.

The point about his record of managerial appoints chocchip, and I'm answering you as at least you answer questions with common sense and factual info rather than just ducking them, is as I have said all along which is that no-one, absolutely no one, could have forseen a manager, ie Dalglish we are talking about, who had won 4 league titles and 3 FA Cups and 3 manager of the years as being anything other than a top quality, high level appointment of the highest standing. So, what else do you expect Fred / the board, to do ? Reasonable question yes ? I'm sorry but just to say with hindsight that he "turned out to be crap" simply isn't good enough. This is why I ask what alternative criteria people would use, and they simply do not answer. Likewise Gullit. Craig has said that Gullit built the Chelsea team that won the FA Cup and went on to win more trophies under a different manager, which is correct. So again, what is wrong with the board of NUFC appointing a manager who did that ? Are these 2 appointments not more qualified than some of the current contenders ie O'Neill, Allardyce ? And Dalglish to be on a par with Hitzfeld ? Is this not correct ? The people on this forum are all backing these people on what basis - the same basis that was used to appoint Dalglish and Gullit, yet for some strange reason all they say is the club doesn't attract top managers ? What were Dalglish and Gullit if they were not top managers ? Likewise I consider it fully justified in asking about other chairman of the big city clubs, and our ex chairmen at the club. Because in context, both of these comparisons show how well the current board are doing. And that is very well, not the best, and we won't be either unfortunately as Chelsea while the Russian is there and Manu are always going to have the biggest financial clout and it will take something extremely special to knock them both off their perch. One maybe but not both. Wenger has done it with Arsenal, beating only one of them, however if he stays at the club for longer and they find a way to combat the financial restraints imposed by a new stadium [facts which we at NUFC have already incorporated yet when mentioned by myself are instantly dismissed as "not being part of a long term plan"....what exactly is it if it isn't a company with a forward looking board showing ambitious planning ?] will find it much more difficult. Likewise I ask who the man is who will take over from Shepherd and guaranteed to be better, again - no answer. Simply because there isn't one. The vast majority of big city clubs are behind us competition wise. Apart from Liverpool and Arsenal on the field, in the last decade. I think that will change in Arsenals case if they lose Wenger. Thats quite a few clubs who are not matching us, our turnover and on the field, why not? If they have done it in the past why are the not doing it now ? It is true to say that Shepherd took over a good club from SJH but it's also true that Shepherd has kept it going...I have stated this but again no reply other than a "so what"...as if it is easy....if it was so easy how come big city clubs in the past who were much much bigger than us have lost their way ie Man City, Spurs, Villa, Leeds to name 4.....staying near the top of the league isn't a divine right you will only stay there if you strive to stay ahead of the rest. Likewise, what was stopping our directors before the Halls and Shepherd getting 50,000 gates and buying England players ? What was to stop them from building on our rather unexpected Fairs Cup win in 1969 ? Nothing, but they didn't, why do you think they didn't ? Now, if people are going to reply to this post with one word answers or usual dumb moronic comments like Fred is shit, or untrue ones such as we don't or can't appoint top managers, consider it not to receive a reply, however someone like yourself who will I suspect answer the whole post in general and in context with intelligent points where you may disagree, then I will. 102296[/snapback] LM, i'll try to respond. I was a bit young at the time so i feel stupid stating my feelings about the Dalgliesh appoinment however, with his record it would seem to the ordinary Joe Bloggs that he had the credentials to take over and push us forward. I do think someone should have asked him at the interview what his plans were though, because if he'd have said ' I plann to sell Ginola, Ferdinand, Asprilla, etc. and replace them with Stephen Glass, Pamela Anderson, Des Hamilton and Carl Serrant, i think he wouldn't have been appointed. I've said it before, i think one of the most important aspects of a new manager is that he wants the players he inherits (especially if they are very expensive and have come VERY close to succeding already). Dalgleish was clearly not at all happy with the squad and replaced them with a load of clangers. IMO, Solano was a very good buy and Given was the most important player this club has signed in the last 10 years, much more important than Shearer, i thought Speed was a goo buy too. However Souness also made decent purchases. Gullit had only ever managed 1 club i think and he was sacked form that one, why do YOU think he was a good appoinment? SBR, i think we all agree was good. GS, same effect as Dalgleish but without the pedigree - result was the same though. How many failures, and 3 out of 4 have been does it take for people to think that FS isn't capable of employing the right man? Isn't he meant to know the football world inside out? Why would we know any better? Financially, as i stated, i can't fault him much unless he's f**ked us by allowing GS to spend £50m. I'd like to ask, you say under FS we haven't gone into a decline like those other big clubs, are you sure? Where did we finish last season? Where are we now? Will we finish top 4? What makes you think we are doing so well? 102494[/snapback] I think you'll find that a lot of transfers in the Dalglish era were forced upon him - certainly the sale of Ferdinand was. And as for Given being a more important signing than Shearer, give me a break. Given is a good keeper but in Shearer we bought the most highly rated striker in the world. It really put Newcastle on the map and that's before you count his 201 goals so far. I think LM will rightly say that it is ridiculous for Shepherd to have the sort of foresight you are suggesting btw.

6 posts left until the millenium. Shame to stop now.

Lies! Although he did look quite "cool" Also don't forget Bowie made the classic "Hello Newcastle" remark at Roker park. Deserves some kudos for that.

I work far too hard and earn too little money to be spending it on the music of artists that I have no intention of ever listening to! 102480[/snapback] Who said anything about spending money? I have no quibbles about ripping off artists I don't like, especially if I'm never going to listen to them. I only buy music I really like, which I think is fair. Try before you buy.

There's no swear filter on this board, you mother fucker.

Your opinion. Like I said - each to their own. Even if he did influence some of the bands I like, it doesn't mean I have to automatically like him. Cos I don't 102475[/snapback] Fair enough. I don't like much he's done post 70s tbf, but he's an essential artist to have in anyone's collection - even if you don't like him. Can't get Life on Mars out my head now. Superglamtastic.

Conversely, he has never done anything that I find remotely memorable or influential. I don't think I own a single song that he has written/performed with the exception of Under Pressure. In my world of music he just doesn't and never has existed. Each to their own eh? 102469[/snapback] Not sure what music you like, but I bet if you read the biographies of some of the bands you're into you'll find they cite him as an influence. He was a musical genius tbh.

Thankfully not. 102280[/snapback] Surely you jest, Bowie is the king. 102417[/snapback] Bowie was an interesting artist in the early 70s. Still living off that hype I reckon. 102457[/snapback] To me he is much more than that. He is a very significant influence on a whole host of musicians and bands of music I like. In the main, I like his music for its own sake too. For instance Life on Mars is a classic.

Similar posting style. 102461[/snapback] Identical. FFS.

Whose going to get the 1000th post on this one?

Don't you just love J69's sanctimonious holier than thou preachings.

Now that is horribly ironic. RIP.

Put that into a Google image search and voila:

Going a bit o/t, but is anyone else getting a bit pissed off with Owen seemingly being only interested in England? TalkShite were doing my head in yesterday, saying he was too good for Newcastle and will be off like a shot in the summer. Apparently he doesn't owe us anything either. Really? I know a lot of this is tabloid shit stirring, but I can't help thinking he is the model professional that doesn't give a shit about Newcastle, whereas Bellmay was the reverse.

Yes. How is it amazing? 102206[/snapback] Depends if you got where you needed to be on time without having to stand in a pool of spit while avoiding wannabe-hardman stares from random charvas. Germany tends to fare quite well in that respect, though you do get plenty of skull-and-crossbones beer-swillers and smelly fat women in exchange. 102209[/snapback] Aye, it strikes me as good, but so do a lot of other places. Can be a bit confusing though as I found when I got a train heading to Krakow instead of my airport (this was Berlin btw). 102228[/snapback] You probably blamed that mistake on the poor conductor too, did you? 102233[/snapback] 102236[/snapback] When you got charged recently man! It was everyone's fault but yours, even though it was you that missed the train. 102243[/snapback] Oh, I see. For the record I wasn't complaining about getting charged, just the sickening size of it. Still heard nowt like, fingers crossed. And in Germany I blame myself for not speaking German (although the train did have the airport name on it, but it was running the opposite way). Fortunatley my plane was delayed and I still made it....

Yes. How is it amazing? 102206[/snapback] Depends if you got where you needed to be on time without having to stand in a pool of spit while avoiding wannabe-hardman stares from random charvas. Germany tends to fare quite well in that respect, though you do get plenty of skull-and-crossbones beer-swillers and smelly fat women in exchange. 102209[/snapback] Aye, it strikes me as good, but so do a lot of other places. Can be a bit confusing though as I found when I got a train heading to Krakow instead of my airport (this was Berlin btw). 102228[/snapback] You probably blamed that mistake on the poor conductor too, did you? 102233[/snapback]

I agree with that. A balanced view if I may say so.

Yes. How is it amazing? 102206[/snapback] Depends if you got where you needed to be on time without having to stand in a pool of spit while avoiding wannabe-hardman stares from random charvas. Germany tends to fare quite well in that respect, though you do get plenty of skull-and-crossbones beer-swillers and smelly fat women in exchange. 102209[/snapback] Aye, it strikes me as good, but so do a lot of other places. Can be a bit confusing though as I found when I got a train heading to Krakow instead of my airport (this was Berlin btw). I think the challenge is to find a worse system the Metro outside the UK.

IIRC Bellamy did start using this goal to defend the undefendible when he was sent off against Inter a few weeks later: "Well we wouldn't have been here if it wasn't for ME" etc. I'd love him to still play for us but recognise he is a complete arsehole, matched only by Dyer and Souness imo.

Yes. How is it amazing?

Apparently not.

I think Local Authorities are pretty strict on Loft Conversions though, he's have to get the plans submitted and ok'd whatever happens. Something to do with how much room, support, and light there is up there if it's going to be used as a lived in room. I learnt this on Property Ladder, although I do spend the best part of an hour staring at Beeny's knockers so I may have misheard. 101834[/snapback] Titnotism.

Still the best chairman we've had, with the best foresight. 101822[/snapback] Exactly.

Mind what Hall did have was a quality LM greatly admires but Shepherd seems to be lacking in - foresight.