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If the no vote is somehow discounted it's essentially a message that Ireland's voice is not relevant, and by extension, that Ireland is not important to and not welcome in the EU. That'll really inspire confidence in all of the smaller, less powerful European countries currently taking part in the EU, as well as the rest of non-EU Eastern Europe. It's not "democracy" when it only works if everyone goes along with the big boys. "Majority rules" is part of democracy - another part is everyone's voice being heard.

Look, I don't condone any of this Jew business and I think it should stop immediately. We're better than that as fans and as individuals. Danny, no problems with you, however, your welcome will very shortly be worn out if you don't stop posting Spurs transfer and team news like any of us care in the least. This is a Newcastle board. Discuss our club or get lost, to be brutally blunt. Nobody cares if your lot signed some two-bit keeper.

I just don't understand this Nazi association you're drawing with Iran. Similarities: Iran and Nazi Germany both arbitrarily "rediscovered" their national identities. Iran and Nazi Germany are both ruled* by charismatic lunatics. Differences: Unlike Nazi Germany, Iran has no plans of world domination, is carrying out no genocides, is not preparing a massive military buildup with thoughts of invading neighbors. Unlike Nazi Germany, where one (charismatic lunatic) man had supreme power, Iran's political decision-making power is concentrated in a democratically elected political body and a traditional religious body. Rather think the differences outweigh the similarities, wouldn't you say? I also think you're barking up the wrong tree as regards supply for terrorist attacks. If you want to find the real bankrollers, look past Iran, who want nothing to do with Sunni-based terror groups such as al-Qaida or al-Aqsa, but point yourself towards Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. * - Ahmadinijad is not the ruler of Iran and it's safe to discount almost everything he says. His purpose is to draw attention away from the mullahs, who make the decisions in that country. It appears to be working.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Loads and loads of absolute nonsense in this thread. I didn't want to get involved here but then I see comparisons of Iran to Nazi Germany, and Ahmadinijad to Bush and I want to laugh and laugh. Iran's nuclear weapons are not to be used on anyone. That would defeat the point of having them. No, Iran wants nukes not to destroy Israel, as the fearmongers would have you believe, but to destroy Israel's dominance of the region. For decades, as someone wisely pointed out in this thread, Israel has dominated foreign policy in the Middle East. As the only significant military power in the region, and the only nuclear power, Israel's (and thus the USA's) rule in the area is unquestioned. Iran is trying to question it - so they must be the enemy, planning Armageddon, preparing a new nuclear winter. Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East - of course it will happen, and in our lifetimes. All of the authoritarian regimes of the ME saw what happened to Iraq. They know the only way to avoid a similar fate but still carry on their mandate is to acquire nukes. Bottom line - Iran is no more a threat to the West than Hershey's Milk Chocolate. Don't believe everything you watch or read...and believe nothing you read on whatever loony bin website produced that "scenario" seen above

Some canny lasses this year like - but not Ms Mars Bar there. That's meant to be who England's hopes ride on? I hoped she beat Williams, though, never known such a pair of tosserettes as the Williams sisters.

Good to see Sam Allardyce never surrenders. No, Sam Allardyce holds his head high, and never blames Sam Allardyce for the shit job he did here, because Sam Allardyce has stayed standing his whole life. Get to shit you fat useless waster. Ruled yourself out of the running? I hear Plymouth might have an opening soon, maybe that'll be about his level - that's if he doesn't "rule himself out of the running" there too.

Someone from N.O. or someone who knows someone on N.O. is updating this. Have you seen the toon squad on our wiki page ? Current squad As of 1 June 2008 No. Position Player 1 Flag of Ireland GK Shay Given 2 Flag of Senegal DF Habib Beye 3 Flag of England DF Nicky Shorey 4 Flag of England MF Michael Carrick 5 Flag of England DF Steven Taylor 6 Flag of Senegal DF Abdoulaye Faye 7 Flag of England MF David Bentley 10 Flag of England FW Michael Owen (captain) 11 Flag of England MF James Milner 12 Flag of Russia FW Andrei Arshavin No. Position Player 13 Flag of England GK Steve Harper 14 Flag of Turkey MF Arda Turan 15 Flag of Canada DF David Edgar 16 Flag of Russia MF Pablo Aimar 17 Flag of England MF Aaron Lennon 22 Flag of England MF Nicky Butt 24 Flag of the Netherlands GK Tim Krul 27 Flag of England DF Ben Tozer 34 Flag of England GK Fraser Forster Players In No. Position Player 3 Flag of England DF Nicky Shorey 4 Flag of England MF Michael Carrick 7 Flag of England MF David Bentley 12 Flag of Russia FW Andrei Arshavin 14 Flag of Turkey MF Arda Turan 16 Flag of Russia MF Pablo Aimar 17 Flag of England MF Aaron Lennon Players OUT No. Position Player 3 Flag of Spain DF José Enrique 5 Flag of Turkey MF Emre Belözoğlu 6 Flag of Brazil DF Caçapa 7 Flag of England MF Joey Barton 9 Flag of Nigeria FW Obafemi Martins 11 Flag of Ireland MF Damien Duff 14 Flag of France MF Charles N'Zogbia 17 Flag of England MF Alan Smith 20 Flag of Cameroon MF Geremi 23 Flag of England FW Shola Ameobi 36 Flag of Australia FW Mark Viduka 38 Flag of the Democratic Republic of the Congo MF Kazenga LuaLua 39 Flag of England FW Andy Carroll Wikipedia's a joke but we've got the Sunday Sun backing it up. I'm not sure which is worse tbh.

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The thing was, it was simulation from Holland, would've been an injustice if he'd booked the defender. Good decision by a top ref - don't suppose we can get him English citizenship and send him off to the Premier League? Amazing performance by Arshavin and Pavlyuchenko, we'll never get either now though.

You`d struggle in any language (and of course you only speak one) . Don`t lecture me on English when you don`t even know how to use capital letters properly. As for tearing apart my theories............you simply lack the intellect. Don`t even try, you`ll simply make an even bigger tool of yourself. Fish bomb in 5,4,3,2,1,.... Good call. I agree that for the Premier League to be the best league in the world it needs the best players, of which Ronaldo is surely one. But I certainly won't shed any tears when he does, best league or not.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7465201.stm Fop man, when it comes to Islam you don't half talk shite. When are you going to realize there's no such thing as this nebulous "jihad" you're talking about? There's a few loons who prey on the weak-minded in every culture and every society. People like them have always existed, and although the most recognizable may be operating under the name of Islam at this point in time, there's quite a few in Europe who fly the banner of insular national identity...which is really exactly like Islamist extremism without the religious rhetoric. Enoch Powell, anyone? Yes, the threat from groups such as al-Qaida is real. But notions that the Muslims are coming into our prisons and "radicalizing" the inmates, recruiting them to be soldiers of "jihad" is a ridiculous bogeyman and a grown man should no more believe it than he believes monsters are under the bed.

Greetings from much further "ower the watta." If I was you I'd watch out for Torres. Worst Stevie can do is call you a mackem, but I've known good posters to die of narcolepsy reading Torres' crack

Best finish to any match I've ever seen. Glad the keeper redeemed himself. Didn't want to see either lose but if you put a gun to my head I would've gone with Turkey, great result for them. They'll get trampled by Germany but they've done it all the hard way in this tournament and I think they've got a lot to be proud of.

Battle of the comedy keepers tbh. Loved seeing Ronaldo, Fat Phil and friends go down.

Very pleased the link to Arshavin has resurfaced.

It's already been in the media, would go on to penalties.

It was shirt pulling and all but that kind of infringement had been going on all game in both penalty boxes. For Webb to decide it was a penalty in the 93rd minute reeked of "big decision" refereeing and I despise it.

Very dodgy penalty, that. Poland have every right to feel robbed, they survived Austria's early attack and outplayed them for the rest of the match. Shocking decision.

Not his life..................but his trophy cabinet is another matter! So according to you, only players who win trophies can be heroes for their clubs? Guess there's a lot of clubs out there with no heroes then. Fans shouldn't love their "underachieving" players if they don't win a trophy? You don't half talk shite sometimes. I thought you were cleaning up your crack?

good joke. hes a legend and will get chelsea playing good football You would think he's a legend. He's from the same stock as Ronaldo - whiny, crybaby, paranoid, dirty as hell. He'll get Chelsea to a European final, sure - most likely the European Synchronized Diving final. tbh i like him better than ferguson or benitez. the majority of managers are whiny. i wouldnt call him a crybaby. dont have a clue what your on about calling him paranoid and i wouldnt exactly say hes dirty as hell. my judgement of him is an interesting character and will make the league more interesting and exciting. will get chelsea playing good football as he likes to play attacking and attractive football and i think he will also bring in a few players for chelsea which will improve the standard of the league and make it more exciting, e.g. ronaldinho, maybe kaka as part of a swap with drogba and villa Paranoid = all refs are out to get him. As for dirty, how about him taking a swing at Dragutinovic during qualifying? He may have been cleared of wrongdoing but there's a side of him that's not "attractive." The notion of Kaka leaving Milan is laughable, and Ronaldinho will never cut it in the Premier League. I don't think he's what you're heralding him to be especially after being away from club football for so long.

good joke. hes a legend and will get chelsea playing good football You would think he's a legend. He's from the same stock as Ronaldo - whiny, crybaby, paranoid, dirty as hell. He'll get Chelsea to a European final, sure - most likely the European Synchronized Diving final.

Hate him, so not pleased I'll have to see his miserable face and fat belly in the Premier League next season. Absolute whining tosser, every bit as bad as his players. Good match for Chelsea though.

Really cracking second half, Turkey well deserving of the win. Turan was great, Vonlanthen was also impressive, I'd have both in a flash. Looked more creative than any three of our midfielders.

Ugh, Ronaldo wankfest really makes me want to watch with the sound off. Going on about his goal like it was the best thing since sliced bread - it, and he, were nothing special today imo. Czechs could never capitalize on Ricardo's extremely dodgy keeping which was a shame.

Yeh. Total shite... He's fucking having a laugh now isn't he first calling Arteta average and now calling Zlatan crap Have you ever seen Ibrahimovic play Torres? 32 goals in 53 games for Inter is a very good return he also contributes loads to the rest of play not overrated at all. Sure I have.....................every time we knock Juve out of Europe! He`s one of the highest paid players in football and is really crap value for it..............as park life said. Jockey. On top of which, Ibrahimovic plays for Inter, not Juve...