Toonpack

Yep, looked comfortable at the back most of the time imo. We're just not "clicking" but I am fairly confident we will, playmakers just not quite playing well enough. Though we played quite well first half yesterday, we were atrocious second half mind but we were not over-run.

I would prefer our troops to be deployed no-fucking-where outside of the UK unless our citizens are under threat. As for Iraq, I firmly believe there are places on the planet where nothing but an "evil despot" can keep a lid on it, western values do not sit well in tribal/ethnic culture. (see what was Yugoslavia as a nearer example). As for the Marines, if they've trangressed military law, I expect the military to deal with it with due consideration of the context of the theatre of operations. There should be a news blackout though, so agenda driven "points scoring" interests don't get involved.

It was the 70's, nipping or grabbing a "legal age" lasses arse was "a bit of fun" in those days as a one off, but it's the fact he went further serially that is the problem. There'd be millions of folks around in the 70's getting arrested if that was sexual assault.

Toonpack's law of OS's - Never EVER go to new Microsoft stuff early.

A pallbearer outed methinks.

Savile-esque ???

The legal costs get settled first out of any recovery, aye they were fine, about £30K's worth of fine

This is the bit of the Keegan case I have a HUGE problem with. In my opinion, he wasn't trying it on, he REALLY wanted the £20 Mill. No way do lawyers "try it on" if you are making frivolous claims in front of the beak, he'll chuck you out. If they didn't think there was a chance he could win it, they'd never have gone forward with it, seriously. That opinion is based upon the fact that I have been through litigation, as a plaintiff/claimant, and every penny of my claim (6 figures) had to be absolutely rationaly justified and backed up, some amounts which to anyone else would appear totally justifiable were stripped out as "in the eyes of the law" my lawyer reckoned it could muddy the waters. The law doesn't do "trying it on". Shit! I had to stump up for a QC to represent me, why? because my lawyer said the other side were putting a QC up and whilst he (my lawyer) was eminently qualified to present my case (which was cast iron in his opinion) the Judge could very well say "well a lawyers telling me this, but a QC is telling me the other" and in that situation the Judge would go with the QC and I shouldn't take the risk (for the sake of something like £900 an hour as I recall!!!). I was outraged (and still am) seeing I was brassic at the time. If a lawyer/QC goes before a Judge and makes non-serious claims or tries it on, the Judge will remember, no Lawyer/QC will put themselves in that position, they have to have reasonable grounds for anything they put forward. The law is an ass and it has a whole set of rules all for itself, it's a members club and you don't mess on with those higher up in the club than you and you don't waste a Judge's time. P.S. I won btw, recovered fuck all in the end though, but at least I won and learned an awfull lot about the law (none of it good) in the process.

I prefer Scotch Bonnets, as well as good heat they add a great flavour. Grew my own last year, good crop and well hot, placky gloves on when preparing though. My lad got a bottle of hot sauce from the states it's 392K on the scoville, a little-finger nail sized drop is perfect for anything you want to spice up, half that for "not a big panfull" though.

Love Chilli me My Mrs makes a belter. My brother in law made one for us when he was last over from the US, for the meat he used a whole chicken and a huge joint of beef, was amazing, crazy yanks.

Parky'll know the full details

No point complaining today, it's Eid, they'll all be off having Eidmas dinner and stuff.

Look at Keys and Gray for a recent example of what "stars" could (or thought they could) get away with, even today.

Nope, it's just I'm not a hate everything he's done merchant just because he's Ashley and his brand is Sports Direct and on this forum to a greater degree that is the top and bottom of it. We are a football club, we were skint, we had to go through the bargain basement phase (unless Ashley was prepared to continue to pump in £20 mill a year, which he wasn't), we will make our highest ever revenues under Ashley. We have just agreed a new more lucrative sponsorship deal, we're on the up. I work down south, the only people I hear whinging about "cheap" is on here, to everyone else we are Newcastle United the big club up north.

- Pish Spend £120Mill to make £93 Mill would equate to something like spend £300Mill to make your £200Mill, yeah dead easy. We are cheapened because WE HAD TO cut our cloth P.S. We'll have our biggest turnover EVER under Ashley, who is a complete and utter bassa, but folks don't make his sort of cash "nicely". Best owner we've ever had, seriously.

And the white players as well obviously. That would be fun

Scary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html

I would agree this will get MUCH deeper, Savile (I would hope) is the outlier but the culture “at the time” will undoubtedly come under scrutiny. I have a good friend who was/is a pro comedian, he (and his “troupe”) appeared on The Comedians show in the early 70’s and from that their agent was approached by a producer about a TV series for them, obviously they were “interested”. Agent went for it and started negotiating the deal. Deal was all but done and the agent came to them and said as much BUT there’s a “condition”, the condition (as stated by the agent) was “one of you will have to drop your trousers for the producer”. They refused and “another offer will come along” but it never did, and they remained club circuit. My mate always says, “I wonder what all those who did get famous in the 70’s had to do” The old casting couch in operation. Bearing in mind that “at the time” being gay was illegal and if even that was as brazen in the 70’s as in my mates tale, the heterosexual side of the coin must have been at least just as rampant, I would reckon. There’s laws to protect folks these days, there weren’t then. Even in my own working life (late 70’s), the culture of what’s sexual harassment these days was just office high jinks in those days, (at work no-one would think nowt of patting a nice lasses/woman’s backside if they were bent over for example, cue squeal/”hey man” and laughter all round, and btw the women gave as good as they got an all). Given that was “the culture” in a “normal” working environment, goodness knows what the culture was in “celebrity/TV/Radio world”.

Footballers I guess are similar these days, but the status of radio one DJ's in its heyday was unreal, there's loads of footballers but there were only 8 or so radio one DJ's in the whole country with attendant nationwide "worship", radio one was "it" for music, in truth there was bugger all else, three tv channels and radio one. I wouldn't be surprised if the road shows weren't conceived or set up so they could get their "kicks" around the country.

He undoubtedly became a serious sexual predator, but I doubt it started like that. Rantzen's right to a point, it was a different time, Radio one DJ's were THE celebrity, hard to explain or provide a contemporary example, there were 6-8 blokes who were gods to just about every young girl/woman in the country. Bigger than footballers or even the pop stars themselves. They'd have had young girls/women throwing themselves at them all the time and I doubt many of them turned it down. They'll all be shitting it now though. Savile took it to a different level, maybe he couldn't stop as he got older and it wasn't on a plate anymore so he became the predator or maybe he just felt "entitled". I'll be amazed if there's not follow up stories about other DJ's and they'll be labelled "fiddlers" but they won't have been anything like Saville, but did they screw young women, at the peak of their celebrity, you bet they did, but those young women will have been more than willing at the time.

He should have moved to Spain, age of consent there is 13 !!!!!! (14 in Germany, 15 France). We're a bit of an outlier at 16 in Europe, which surprises me.

I think you think wrong, I'd cite Sir Alex F as corroborating evidence.

He was the ref when De Jong snapped Ben Arfa in two, no free kick.

How could the leg/foot he was swinging through the air, kicking the ball with, "stick in the turf"

Corrected, maybe you'll understand it now.