Toonpack

which transfer strategy do you prefer ? Aim high or settle for inferiority ? See TP, what you don't understand is this - aiming high and making the odd signing who is overpriced or doesn't make the standard you hope, is the mirror image of buying cut price bargains and finding the odd great spot [but selling him on again] like Tiotte. Which transfer strategy is the best, gives you the best performance on the pitch befitting a club the size of NUFC ? NOBODY, NOBODY makes a successful signing and gets value for money from EVERY signing. This bloke "Deano" talks about being "deluded" ..... Who will finish higher in the league next season, us or Liverpool ? I don't know why I'm wasting my time. I see another numpty has joined this forum, and posted in this thread. Relegation struggle here we come, but we are doing things better than Liverpool lads...... so sad, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. Laughable insanity My white text was not in vain !! so I take it you think the mackems strategy, of which you approve, puts them in a better position than before ? haha. Please tell us when you think we will do "better than Fred" with Ashleys "superior business sense", he's had 4 years already, he had better get a move on.... You REALLY are a fucking lunatic, aren't you

which transfer strategy do you prefer ? Aim high or settle for inferiority ? See TP, what you don't understand is this - aiming high and making the odd signing who is overpriced or doesn't make the standard you hope, is the mirror image of buying cut price bargains and finding the odd great spot [but selling him on again] like Tiotte. Which transfer strategy is the best, gives you the best performance on the pitch befitting a club the size of NUFC ? NOBODY, NOBODY makes a successful signing and gets value for money from EVERY signing. This bloke "Deano" talks about being "deluded" ..... Who will finish higher in the league next season, us or Liverpool ? I don't know why I'm wasting my time. I see another numpty has joined this forum, and posted in this thread. Relegation struggle here we come, but we are doing things better than Liverpool lads...... so sad, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. Laughable insanity My white text was not in vain !!

It gets more insane by the minute !!!!! but, according to you and people like you, NUFC are doing it right and Liverpool are getting it all wrong, right ? Not if they can afford it. Andy Carroll (and now potentiallyJordan Henderson) is the 55th highest paid player on the planet, is that not insane ??? come our relegation struggle, and looking up at the likes of Bolton, Blackburn, and miles higher again at Liverpool, who's insane Stick with Ameobi and Lovenkrands then, it's "good business". Do you believe Carroll and/or Henderson are worth the 55th highest salary of any players on the face of the earth ??? Yes or no will do (forlorn hope !!)

and you can't expect an agent not to shake all the tree's to see where the biggest wad is

It gets more insane by the minute !!!!! but, according to you and people like you, NUFC are doing it right and Liverpool are getting it all wrong, right ? Not if they can afford it. Andy Carroll (and now potentiallyJordan Henderson) is the 55th highest paid player on the planet, is that not insane ???

It gets more insane by the minute !!!!!

This is my concern, that it has dragged on. Like i've said before its a worry that he isnt wanting to make a solid decision about us and seems like they are waiting for other clubs to enter the race. I'd be delighted if we got him but it does feel a little luque-esq in the sense that we arent his 1st choice. Agree it appears to have dragged on, but he's been away with Ivory Coast and the French transfer window doesn't actually open until tomorrow (or 1st July in some sources)

What you dont realise is that theres only 3 of you are real, the rest are bots I created. Trouble is I totally got my figures wrong when setting the smug, fuckwit and cluelessness levels for CT hence the posts we see now. What makes matters worse is it seems to have got a mind of its own. This is how Skynet started out Im telling ya. I know I dissagree with some things you post, but geez, that just went to top of the league.

Utter fictional deluded rubbish, from start to finish so when exactly have we "done better than Fred", with 4 years gone already ? Stick to the facts. Obviously, if you don't go to games, the perception may be flawed, but just stick to the facts, starting with the above question ? September 1st will be here before you know it by the way. I've already linked posts from you that supported the spending of the club back in 2005 at the time ? Not getting on the roundabout no matter how much you want me to. But suffice to say Fred's last year 13th and beyond skint, this year 12th and not skint. and the first 11 don't count ? £152,000,000

I take it Platini and UEFA must post on Skunkers then, given that reducing wages (and the money dissappearing out of the game) is what their new rules are about. and they all predicted this 6 years ago As I said. Skunkers type crap. So the Financial Fair Play rules are "Skunkers type crap" then ?? oh dear. Read the post properly. You rarely make sense, I doubt a second reading would help.

Utter fictional deluded rubbish, from start to finish so when exactly have we "done better than Fred", with 4 years gone already ? Stick to the facts. Obviously, if you don't go to games, the perception may be flawed, but just stick to the facts, starting with the above question ? September 1st will be here before you know it by the way. I've already linked posts from you that supported the spending of the club back in 2005 at the time ? Not getting on the roundabout no matter how much you want me to. But suffice to say Fred's last year 13th and beyond skint, this year 12th and not skint. Going to games is somewhat irrelevant to "perception" these days, especially as many attenders are half cut before they get there anyway and given you can see virtually every game live on line or on TV. I appreciate you can't comment on who's making good runs off the ball type stuff etc, but in the main little difference. BTW you know why I don't go anymore, the same reason you "missed" time in the past. I look forward to Sept 1st, it'll show where we're intending going.

Utter fictional deluded rubbish, from start to finish

Possibly, but there's only so many "superstars" to go round and if clubs have to stay within parameters outside the Champs League, the bigger clubs will get the better leftovers and thus should challenge. What would really help would be if Champs League TV money went to the home associations and was divied up between all the clubs, but sadly that'll never happen.

I take it Platini and UEFA must post on Skunkers then, given that reducing wages (and the money dissappearing out of the game) is what their new rules are about. and they all predicted this 6 years ago As I said. Skunkers type crap. So the Financial Fair Play rules are "Skunkers type crap" then ??

How many of the 54 are in a better position ??? It is a well known fact that in the case of football club insolvency there is "the football rule" which the revenue were challenging (not sure if they are now) which means that football creditors get paid above all others, clubs don't suffer the same fate as a normal commercial businesses when they "go bust". Like with Portsmouth, millionaire footballers get their cash and local businesses go to the wall, disgracefull. In football terms (unless the Revenue won their case, which they should have IMO) "going bust" is basically going into administration. The points deduction rules were brought in to deter clubs from simply declaring administration and walking away from their liabilities - Leicester I think was the straw that broke that camels back. Couldn't tell you, hence my question. The Portsmouth situation was like a merry-go-round with regards to ownership. They may yet come out of this better in the long run having had their fingers burnt. For what it's worth I agree football needs to have a long look at itself however there has to be a balance. I worry that we'll lose millions playing in a lower league. It's already happened and I don't want to risk years in the wilderness again like the late 70's and late 80's. Couldn't agree more. Our best hope IMO is that UEFA's rules really work, because few could live with us even if we are well "within our means".

How many of the 54 are in a better position ??? It is a well known fact that in the case of football club insolvency there is "the football rule" which the revenue were challenging (not sure if they are now) which means that football creditors get paid above all others, clubs don't suffer the same fate as a normal commercial businesses when they "go bust". Like with Portsmouth, millionaire footballers get their cash and local businesses go to the wall, disgracefull. In football terms (unless the Revenue won their case, which they should have IMO) "going bust" is basically going into administration. The points deduction rules were brought in to deter clubs from simply declaring administration and walking away from their liabilities - Leicester I think was the straw that broke that camels back. Edit - HMRC case is later this year, Sports Minister also making noises about taking the football creditors rule away. Hope they win.

That'll be just the 54 since the Prem League came into being then, aye that's "very, very few" On the wider context of your precious book. The two things you've thrown up out of it so far have been debunked, what's next from this mighty tome of stupidity??? I can't wait for the laugh.

Wasn't Collo rumoured to be on circa £80K ???

good one I'm not over the top in the slightest. I think this wages business is being used as a convenient excuse by those clinging to their claims that "anybody but Fred would be better" which the majority of supporters on all message boards and in real life claimed. I think paying 2nd rate wages will result in having a 2nd/3rd rate club, its as simple as that. There is a book called "Why England lose and other curious phenomena explained" which produces all sort of footballing facts, one of which is a comprehensive table based over about 50 years and more, which proves success in football is directly linked to wages. Not necessarily transfer fees, but to wages. The old saying "pay peanuts and you get monkeys" most definitely applies. Would that be the book that ridiculously compares football clubs to commercial enterprises, that book ??? Success = income = higher wages, continued success = even more income = even higher wages, basic stuff really. Of course today, Rich Sugar daddy = stupid wages = income irrelevant = success sooner or later Unlike the book you have by "bitter" Denis Cassidy of course. What a hypocrite. I would say the book I refer to is far more insightful, it looks at all football clubs over a period of 50 years and compares all of their fortunes side by side against each other. stop pretending you had a crystal ball 5-6 years ago and saw Man City were going to be taken over by Arabs, although why that means NUFC have to behave like a selling club run on the lines of clubs like Bolton and Blackburn is still a mystery you should explain. Admit that the new owner is "not better than Fred" etc etc - and never will be. And stop derailing the thread. That is my point, my response to you, success is related to wages, if the club pays 2nd rate wages and doesn't keep up, it will only decline further.That is the topic of this thread, so stick to it. Don't have any books on or about football can't think of anything worse tbh. The book you refer to is fundamentaly and hilariously flawed in the one example of it's "insight" that you've so far spouted. As for the last bit, until recently (post Abramovich) I would suggest wage levels were related to continued success rather than the other way around, as we sadly prove.

good one I'm not over the top in the slightest. I think this wages business is being used as a convenient excuse by those clinging to their claims that "anybody but Fred would be better" which the majority of supporters on all message boards and in real life claimed. I think paying 2nd rate wages will result in having a 2nd/3rd rate club, its as simple as that. There is a book called "Why England lose and other curious phenomena explained" which produces all sort of footballing facts, one of which is a comprehensive table based over about 50 years and more, which proves success in football is directly linked to wages. Not necessarily transfer fees, but to wages. The old saying "pay peanuts and you get monkeys" most definitely applies. Would that be the book that ridiculously compares football clubs to commercial enterprises, that book ??? Success = income = higher wages, continued success = even more income = even higher wages, basic stuff really. Of course today, Rich Sugar daddy = stupid wages = income irrelevant = success sooner or later

The Ashley haters of course wont see wise management or greedy players, will they? and the Ashley lovers are right behind his target of ridding the game of all greedy players single handed Another "founded by Leazes" myth

Absolutely true btw

Are you Michel Platini?, because that is the whole drive behind the new rules.

Not happening until evidence from Jimbo's Telemark

£60K per week would be above average wages for Man U (£55.8K) Arsenal (£50.3K) for example (from 2010 figures), would any of our £60K a week "superstars" get into those squads let alone get paid above average wages by them ?? Any ongoing "cull" year on year, of high wage earners is a myth, there's a drive to get wages under control, that's all.