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Adam mate, you've done this before (comparing the management and strategic planning in your company to that at NUFC) and I can't help but feel it's a sackable offence. But you can apply economic planning to football management. One of the main areas of Economic study is the control predicament. The scarcity and choice conundrum. The idea being there is finite resources with a number of entities wanting choice. by taking this into consideration if you know you have a short time in which to exercise the end move of a deal you should begin the deal as soon as possible. As has already been pointed out the Transfer window is for the conclusion of deals between clubs. Clubs can contact each other at any time about the possibility of a players availability. Scouts can go to games at any time to watch players. A well run club should have had for the 2 months prior to the window opening scouts at games and been in contact with clubs who have players of a high enough calibre in positions needed to instigate negotiations. By waiting to start anything until the window opens. Or in the case of our summer campaign six weeks after it opens. We shoot ourselves in the foot and reduce our operational ability. Yeah I know all of that. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be doing that. I'm saying that comparing strategic plans at big successful companies to those at NUFC is like comparing apples and oranges. 5th best oranges on average tbf.

I do agree with a lot that Roeder is saying as it is just common sense, but I am not sure how the likes of Ferdinand, Crouch, Davies and Bent fit into the category of unearthing young gems for decent prices...

Jealousy I think he's quality Yep, there are few players who have managed to reach the same level of perfection when it comes to diving, two-footed-tacklings and cheating in general. Gerrard? Na, he is just doing his stupid two-footed tacklings, but lacking class in the other parts of being a despieful twat.

Jealousy I think he's quality Yep, there are few players who have managed to reach the same level of perfection when it comes to diving, two-footed-tacklings and cheating in general.

I am very rarely pleased by these sort of things, but yesterday I just thought, "Ha, take that you little dirty word-that-Cat-doesn't like."

You are becoming boring. You are right, there aren't clubs in the whole of Europe who are doing transfers in advance. They all wait for deadline day. Sorry, my mistake. we're talking about before the window starts dumkopf Ok, just one example from the top of my head. Berbatov to Spurs last May, dipshit. 13 days before the window. wow. magnificent planning total coincidence that Spurs were the only club to exceed his buy out clause p.s. can you see a quote like this coming from someone about us right now :"The squad has some terrific young players, an excellent manager and coaching staff" From May 17th May to July 1st it's just 13 days? I hope you don't need any mathematics in your studying. As I said, the Berbatov transfer was just an example. If you really want to deny that there are always a certain amount of transfer deals finalised ahead of the start of the transfer window you are either an imbecile, a liar or just a poor WUM. I can't see the quote coming because I don't think it is true and whoever is saying it is wearing rose-tinted specs © Leazes

You are becoming boring. You are right, there aren't clubs in the whole of Europe who are doing transfers in advance. They all wait for deadline day. Sorry, my mistake. we're talking about before the window starts dumkopf Ok, just one example from the top of my head. Berbatov to Spurs last May, dipshit.

You are becoming boring. You are right, there aren't clubs in the whole of Europe who are doing transfers in advance. They all wait for deadline day. Sorry, my mistake.

I agree and i dont think its humanly possible for Roeder to do everything he needs to do. One thing not taken account of when looking at the club's activity in the market is human resource. We are short on it tbh. http://www.toontastic.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=8442 The problem is worsened imho by the fact that a couple of board positions are vacant, i.e. are filled by Fat Fred himself. The whole setup of the club is rather that of an amateur club than that of a club with one of the highest turnover in Europe.

you are assuming an awfull lot about the collective scum known as football agents you can have as many bids for as many players as you like out there, but as I've already said, what's the point if most aren't even considered well into the window as other things fall into place and the requirements of teams are truly known. So, if there are no players anymore who want to play for Newcastle or who will Newcastle get, what do you suggest? Suicide. I don't know how this will help, but in Vic's case it is at least worth the try.

I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window. I'll accept having the players in time for the start of pre season training instead of after the season starts for a change. Exactly. That's what pissed me off about Roeder big style last summer. When he took the job one of the first things he was saying was that he couldn't even afford a holiday because he has to assemble the squad for next season. The next thing was that he was off to Turkey for a couple of weeks. Then at some time in July he said that he has to sit together with Fat Fred and draw up a list of players they should go after. The "planning" and concluding of deals just always depends on the circumstances. At the moment Newcastle now too well what type of players they need (I hope they do). So they can look at those players and sound them out or unsettle them. A lot is done behind the scenes. And when it's clear that the opportunity of getting one of your targets arises you have to react. Then it doesn't matter if it is January, April or June. But it shouldn't be July and only under the worst circumstances August 31st. so you'd be happy if Arsene Wenger started having cosy little chats with N'Zogbia in a few months time? There are more subtle ways than that actually. if you contact a contracted player without the clubs knowledge you are breaching FA rules Don't try to be clever. It just doesn't suit you. As I said, there are a lot more subtle ways to do it without directly contacting players. FIFA statutes only forbid to do direct negotiations without contacting the club first. So you talk with agents, let other players talk to players etc. There are more ways than just directly meet in a London restaurant. so through all these chinese whispers and clandestine chats we are suppose to have concrete plans to sign 3 or 4 players by mid November? a contract will only be arranged through the club, unless it is for a free agent, for whom the window doesn't even apply So how come other clubs are able to finalise deals in advance when this is obviously impossible?

you are assuming an awfull lot about the collective scum known as football agents you can have as many bids for as many players as you like out there, but as I've already said, what's the point if most aren't even considered well into the window as other things fall into place and the requirements of teams are truly known. So, if there are no players anymore who want to play for Newcastle or who will Newcastle get, what do you suggest?

I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window. I'll accept having the players in time for the start of pre season training instead of after the season starts for a change. Exactly. That's what pissed me off about Roeder big style last summer. When he took the job one of the first things he was saying was that he couldn't even afford a holiday because he has to assemble the squad for next season. The next thing was that he was off to Turkey for a couple of weeks. Then at some time in July he said that he has to sit together with Fat Fred and draw up a list of players they should go after. The "planning" and concluding of deals just always depends on the circumstances. At the moment Newcastle now too well what type of players they need (I hope they do). So they can look at those players and sound them out or unsettle them. A lot is done behind the scenes. And when it's clear that the opportunity of getting one of your targets arises you have to react. Then it doesn't matter if it is January, April or June. But it shouldn't be July and only under the worst circumstances August 31st. so you'd be happy if Arsene Wenger started having cosy little chats with N'Zogbia in a few months time? There are more subtle ways than that actually. if you contact a contracted player without the clubs knowledge you are breaching FA rules Don't try to be clever. It just doesn't suit you. As I said, there are a lot more subtle ways to do it without directly contacting players. FIFA statutes only forbid to do direct negotiations without contacting the club first. So you talk with agents, let other players talk to players etc. There are more ways than just directly meet in a London restaurant.

I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window. I'll accept having the players in time for the start of pre season training instead of after the season starts for a change. Exactly. That's what pissed me off about Roeder big style last summer. When he took the job one of the first things he was saying was that he couldn't even afford a holiday because he has to assemble the squad for next season. The next thing was that he was off to Turkey for a couple of weeks. Then at some time in July he said that he has to sit together with Fat Fred and draw up a list of players they should go after. The "planning" and concluding of deals just always depends on the circumstances. At the moment Newcastle now too well what type of players they need (I hope they do). So they can look at those players and sound them out or unsettle them. A lot is done behind the scenes. And when it's clear that the opportunity of getting one of your targets arises you have to react. Then it doesn't matter if it is January, April or June. But it shouldn't be July and only under the worst circumstances August 31st. so you'd be happy if Arsene Wenger started having cosy little chats with N'Zogbia in a few months time? There are more subtle ways than that actually. But I expect someone like Wenger doing the necessary things if he wants to sign a player. But I forgot, in your eyes we are Newcastle and nobody wants to sign for us anyway. We are not going to get a player ever. EVER.

I'd love to think that was for a laugh, following Renton's comments about the random shit you post. I fear that would be giving you far too much credit though Again, I would not be surprised if people took it literally. The point being, when do we start contracting players ready for the first day of the summer window? Now? In 2 months? In May? Seriously, how far forward does it have to be to be good 'planning' and getting one over on every other manager who seem to be more than able to start and complete deals inside the window. I'll accept having the players in time for the start of pre season training instead of after the season starts for a change. Exactly. That's what pissed me off about Roeder big style last summer. When he took the job one of the first things he was saying was that he couldn't even afford a holiday because he has to assemble the squad for next season. The next thing was that he was off to Turkey for a couple of weeks. Then at some time in July he said that he has to sit together with Fat Fred and draw up a list of players they should go after. The "planning" and concluding of deals just always depends on the circumstances. At the moment Newcastle now too well what type of players they need (I hope they do). So they can look at those players and sound them out or unsettle them. A lot is done behind the scenes. And when it's clear that the opportunity of getting one of your targets arises you have to react. Then it doesn't matter if it is January, April or June. But it shouldn't be July and only under the worst circumstances August 31st.

Looking at our remaining fixture list we should normally make a lot of places, as we have a decent run in. The toughest away games are Pompey and Reading. From the top teams we have to play Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal, but all at home. It all depends on if we keep on relying on our luck or actually start to play well.

Rebranding of their campaign into "Justice for 97".

Except that we don't want to, he is even behind the likes of Troisi, Carroll and LuaLua in the pecking order... Aye, the bench v. Brum confirmed his place (rightly or wrongly) in the pecking order. I don't even class Luque as cover any more. Because neither does Roeder. Well, he said that he is going to use him in Europe. This shows two things: A) that Roeder doesn't think Luque is capable of doing things in English football, our focus in the UEFA-Cup, our last chance to win something this season.

Except that we don't want to, he is even behind the likes of Troisi, Carroll and LuaLua in the pecking order...

See that is where you are wrong. The transfer window only restricts when you can actually transfer a player from one club to the next, it doesn't restrict you from negotiations or transfer fees or player contract details! again, name me a player other than Larson where this happened this january???? http://kicker.de/fussball/bundesliga/wechselboerse/ Bayern loaned Dos Santos (Paraguayan international) to Wolfsburg, a deal that was agreed on December 18th. Mainz signed Marius Niculae (Romanian international) on December 11th Gladbach signed Gohouri (Ivorian international) on December 28th Bochum signed Epalle (Cameroon international) on December 19th A couple of other big name players moved at the start of January. Mind, the clubs even weren't in a hurry as the Bundesliga only started again last weekend...

I think if you compare Martins price with some of the ridiculous fees for players in England, it does put things into perspective. And I am still not really convinced about Martins yet. I also can understand the transfer of Duff, because it was just an unlikely opportunity coming along. Rossi was a decent choice considering is reputation. Bernard was a joke and so was Le Sib, who might (occasionally) not look as bad as most feared, but simply is just a mediocre player for a bottom half team.

We need one more striker. Even when Owen and Ameobi are fit (though the latter shouldn't actually be considered). You need four first team strikers. Yep I think we need someone good in the air and strong enough to hold the ball up, if we're looking at a possible champions league place anyway (although I guess it maybe somewhat depends on how well Owen/Martins work together). Assuming Owen comes back as something like the player he was anyway. But we need 2-3 in at the back, and I think an injection of quality into midfield as well. Champions League place? You are kidding right? Aye, no problem dislodging Liverpool, Arsenal, ManU, or Chelski. Come on Roeder! Fop, can I have some of what you're on please? I don't think it's legal. Just taking an example from Germany. Leverkusen have reached an agreement with a lad called Helmes (playing in the second league, scoring 7 goals in 5 games before getting injured) about a future transfer. His contract is running out in 2008, but Leverkusen are now trying to already get him for next season... He might get hit by an asteroid though...

I just took that as an example of Roeder sticking to his word tbh. I have no problem with him looking at obscure foreigners at all, although I had my reservations about this Piqilalidings guy. I think most people would be more than happy if we brought in some obscure players, either foreign or home based, as long as they produced the goods where it mattered. Of course that is all that matters in the end. And I do agree with Roeder that Newcastle need to reduce the failings in the transfer market, especially when it comes to signing players for huge fees and wages without getting a reward. I wouldn't have had any problem with getting this Piq guy on loan as he had solved a short term problem. I did have my reservations about the "class" Roeder is hampering on, though.

I just took that as an example of Roeder sticking to his word tbh. I have no problem with him looking at obscure foreigners at all, although I had my reservations about this Piqilalidings guy.

We need one more striker. Even when Owen and Ameobi are fit (though the latter shouldn't actually be considered). You need four first team strikers.