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That was more aimed at the questioners last night but it is the overwhelming reason people support them and they tend to be the nostalgia junkies. If there's a sensible reason not based on an overinflated view of our place in the world then fair enough - I'm willing to see your skilled jobs view but much like BAE, I think those skills could be used for useful reasons m

When did we need them in the past? Describe a scenario where they make sense. Do you think Russia ever considered the UK when it came to MAD?

Why isn't it an issue for Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain or any other civilised country? The navy has been cut down to the bone over the last 30 years mainly to save money - why is trident different?

The cold war that effectively ended 35 years ago? Explain the scenarios where a deterrent would "work" - then explain in it terms of the 190 countries where the argument is meaningless. Morons stuck in the past who yearn for a Britain "ruling" the world.

Would be funny if he got in ans started selectively tactically nuking towns in Surrey for a laugh with a big "that'll teach them" shit-eating grin for the cameras.

Fucking hell, the new prime minister of Ireland is a gay son of an Indian immigrant - huge thing over there I'd imagine. (Leo Varadkar)

There was a brief discussion at work the other week and a lass said she'd be voting tory as she thinks the world is getting dodgy due to Trump and she trusted May more than Corbyn to defend the UK. I had to button my lip from saying she'd become a pensioner.

It's going to be hard for them as it's obvious he's done well. However if it still ends up with a large tory majority, they'll feel vindicated and will use the argument that a better leader might have won (which is fair enough) to try and oust him again. Problem is a shift to the centre may disillusion people who've come on board during the campaign.

A hung parliament would be intriguing on both sides, not just on Brexit. Would either of them be desperate enough to offer the SNP another independence referendum?

Thing is the odd point that Labour are gaining is coming from the libs or from UKIP - the Tory share is pretty solid - and that's before you count the fuckers who are too ashamed to say thery're going to vote for them. I don't think there's any more shitter they can get in a week to prevent a majority - but you never know.

36% is a shocking amount of unskilled workers voting tory - what the fuck do they think they'll do for them? It's like those fuckers in the US rust belt voting convfefe.

I was talking to someone at the weekend about the lack of tory "talent" - when you look at Johnson, Hammond and the rest and the fact that May only had to beat Leadsom and compare it with Thatchers day when there was a cabinet full of full on proper tory twats , it makes me hopeful about the future. As I said I think they'll win but May is finished imo - just have to hope the next one is just as shit.

Because it worked so well in NI. Best recruitment driver ever.

John Noakes, 83 RIP

We'll see I guess - I've consistently said I think he's a decent bloke but poor leader but he's impressed me in this campaign. If Labour loses which I still think they will, then yes, Corbyn's perceived weaknesses will be a factor and I'll say so. My hope now however is that a decent campaign on a decent manifesto won't lead to a Kendall-esque (or whoever) retreat to the centre after the defeat.

I did mean Bill - he and his wife started the speak where you claim to be left leaning but are actually centrist at best because they're "ashamed" to call themselves left wing or heaven forbid use the "S" word - as admitted by Blair. Dozens of policies? Really? If the polls are broadly right and Corbyn actually does better than Miliband you'll put it down to May being shit and won't consider the possibility that people want something else. You'll also forget that the first big jump in those polls was when the manifesto was published not when May fucked up hers.

Every time I see the word "progressive" I think of either Clinton, Blair or Nick fucking Clegg. It's a toxic piece of shite which implies anything but progress for the majority.

If Smith had won, it would have been another Miliband austerity lite manifesto.

If you can't say stuff which is undeniably right just because people don't want to hear it then we're fucked. Maybe he should just have put May's "cry wolf" speech on repeat and not spoken at all.

There's been fuck all worth fighting for since WW2.

I think when Renton and I have had this argument with HF we've sort of agreed that it's all part of the deal - the middle east has been shit on and adding a toxic ideology and shit lives into the mix produces sick people. Different people probably have different mixes. As for cause and effect I'd put forward Spain - they were a happy member of the war on terror until Alcotcha and then publicly backed off - as a result they have had nor more shite.

They also say the tory manifesto is full of shit. They're gambling on the tuition fees thing getting young people to vote which isn't a bad idea - though I'd rather the money was spent reversing cuts.

Could mention Cameron's part in the destruction of Libya as well.

Well in that scenario "murderer" would have sufficed - "extremist" implies religious or political terrorist.

Fair question. Rest was wrong but imo you can still agree with the defiance and togetherness narrative but still be able to mention Islam in a way that's less "personal" than attacking Muslims.