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I wonder if the Apache, Souix or the Navaho agree with mass immigration 129673[/snapback] Well they were originally immigrants from Asia themselves, just as we Europeans were immigrants from Africa via Asia. There are people in Africa who were never "immigrants" but the rest of the human race all were somewhere along the line. 129690[/snapback] Correction, strictly speaking they were migrants not immigrants, there is a massive difference and I think you know that, with respect. 129693[/snapback] Yeah I know I've just read a book about the peopling of the world and wanted to get it in as I've found the story of how closely we're all related fascinating. Europeans on the other hand were immigrants - they usurped the Neanderthals.

Bollocks in my opinion, should we turn a blind eye if they had raped her too ? 129684[/snapback] No, but I'm actually with Lazarus - I don't believe he was injecting her and think its more likely he was taking out a needle she'd used before passing out. I believe in free will when it comes to drugs - if you want to fuck yourself up (or indeed have a bloody good time) then its down to you - all I'm saying is that she went to his house and must have become "unconsious" somehow. Now if it was a naive fan who they "initiated" then thats a different matter but even the Sun suggest she was a regular visitor.

I wonder if the Apache, Souix or the Navaho agree with mass immigration 129673[/snapback] Well they were originally immigrants from Asia themselves, just as we Europeans were immigrants from Africa via Asia. There are people in Africa who were never "immigrants" but the rest of the human race all were somewhere along the line.

I think finding yourself unconcious on that particular floor could be seen as contributory negligence.

I knew spelling and grammar before I reached the 6th form mate - pity you never made it.

Americans are hypocrites - their nation is founded and based even more on immigration than ours. I agree completely that there should be criteria for immigrants but to just have a "bar all" policy is crap. Why? - they are also being stung over Mexicans - they are demanding controls without realising that if all "guests" were expelled their costs would rocket as no Americans would do the shit jobs for shit pay that are done by these "illegals". This is also rapidly becoming a factor in London.

Depends how you do it - if a pimp is effectively a slavemaster then in my "brave new world" he'd be gone - if the pimp is for protection from the dodgy elements of society then a "sanitised" environment like they have in some places like Germany I think could work. (Once again I have no first hand knowledge )

Very true, so lets consentrate on sorting out our own scum rather than importing some other fuckers 129648[/snapback] I agree but if you stop all immigration then the economy is fucked - you see there are a lot of them that put the average Englishmen to shame.

I knew someone would come out and still defend them, not noticed you around for a while though. 129597[/snapback] I'm not defending them at all - scum are scum - but the idea that a small number of scum is a reason to stop all immigration is plain stupid - I can remember at least 3 murderers who were lorry drivers - Sutcliffe, the one that killed that lass near Berwick and one who killed a french hitchhiker - does that mean all lorry drivers are evil and should be rounded up? - thats the kind of inference you're making. The fact that that logic is fuelled by good old racism is just a bonus. 129606[/snapback] I don't consider myself a racist, simply for stating an irrefutable fact. But I do consider you to be a naive do gooder. The FACT, and the POINT is, as I said, they should not have been here. And if they hadn't, that girl would still be alive. FACT. So you can defend them all you like, but you simply cannot dispute a FACT. 129639[/snapback] I don't know how many of those lads were born here or came here but it doesn't matter. What You're saying is that just on the off chance that any immigrants can be potential criminals we shouldn't allow anyone in. That is nonsensical racist bollocks. I'd also point out that if the "glorious" British empire hadn't enslaved all those countries then that lass would also be alive.

Prostitution is victimless?? 129616[/snapback] If you take away the seediness of street walkers then a "free" woman selling herself/providing a service to a (single) man harms absolutely nobody. Of course the Kings Cross/Eastern european slaves/crack whores cycle is horrible but thats what I mean above by dodgy elements combining with drugs.

Persecuting people for drug use is a waste of time - until a sensible case why alcohol is okay and cannabis isn't is made then its a "war" that will never be won. I know the people involved in the drug trade are scum but thats due to the legailty - its like prostitution - a "victimless" crime is made into a dodgy business by the legal profession so that they can make money. Imagine a justice system where drugs are legal - "junkie" crime would disappear and the police would have the time to fight "proper" lawbreakers. Wastes of space like Doherty would die though I suspect without the fuel of celebrity which is only now based on his lifestyle he'd probably sort himself out. (NB Alcohol is the only drug I've ever used)

I knew someone would come out and still defend them, not noticed you around for a while though. 129597[/snapback] I'm not defending them at all - scum are scum - but the idea that a small number of scum is a reason to stop all immigration is plain stupid - I can remember at least 3 murderers who were lorry drivers - Sutcliffe, the one that killed that lass near Berwick and one who killed a french hitchhiker - does that mean all lorry drivers are evil and should be rounded up? - thats the kind of inference you're making. The fact that that logic is fuelled by good old racism is just a bonus.

All immigrants are evil scum, all englishmen are angels. Simple. In reality there are scum in any group that you care to name - there are also decent people in every group. Deportation solves all our problems - apart from the fact that the overwhelming number of scum in this country are white and English but as long as a few token baddies are chucked out then alls well in bigot land.

Phew. For a minute there I thought we were in trouble. I reckon Oliver's made this up tbh. If I had to think of one club likely to want N'Zogbia, off the top of my head it would be Arsenal. I suspect that's similar to the "research" Oliver has done with this story. 129508[/snapback] I remember one of the first conversations I had with Biffa of .COM was about his serious belief that Oliver's "research" consisted of 3 paper bags with bits of paper with player's names, clubs and fees written on them which he just "lucky dipped".

Don'k know what half of the list look like but I do know that Keira Kightley is absolutely fucking gorgeous. I worry about you lot

Theres a lot of fawning going on the BBC site - people reacted badly to someone's (not me, honest guv) suggestion that you'd have to be stupid and/or brainwashed to in any way defend the institution. I think its similar in a way to religion - intelligent, logical people seem to have a blindspot which prevents them from taking the few seconds of rational thought required to realise it has no place in modern world. I didn't bother sending my suggested gift - a bullet with her name on it.

Depends on the scale I would have thought - if a conference club can say "we've got 5000 signatures on a petition" then its more newsworthy than a Chronicle fan's poll or something.

A friend of mine is an Altrincham fan - the've been pissed on by the Conference who have fined them 18 points (probable relegation) for fielding an ineligible player who had lied to them and so they were "innocent" of the charge. The player came from Accrington who didn't check his registration but they've been let-off. Heres a petition for it - probably pointless but lets prove we all don't agree with Fat Fred on non-league clubs Petition

I've done spells of a few months without it before and even now only go daft occasionally - new year was the last one. Unfortunately this weekend will be a daft one. I'm determined not to go stupid on Sunday - last time I had too many nerve calmers the day before and couldn't celebrate the win properly.

Classic NUFC too nice moment - the red shirt clubs would have had the 3 points off them and possibly more.

Don't let how subdued and shite the Mackems are ever translate into a wavering of due dislike.

I'd relegate them for playing that Pigbag shite when they score - lower league shite. I'd also relegate them for Mark Page.

I was thinking after Thursday that its pointless them winning the UEFA cup as they couldn't possibly celebrate more/be happier than when they beat us 3 years ago thanks to D'Arso. That was their Champions League. (Did Mendietta play? )

Its always been a massive thing for the smogs and at times they're as sad as the mackems in their obsession with us (check the bitterness on their messageboard!). But for toon fans its never the same, some couldn't give a toss about Boro and some like me think of it as more than just another prem game but not the same as a derby against the mackems. And most of it comes from their annoying fans and wanting to see us give them a good kicking every time we play them rather than a local rivalry. 118122[/snapback] Spot on - my dislike of Boro has to do with off the pitch antics in the same way I dislike Millwall rather than any "local rivalry" bollocks.

Yes he is a fat aussie bastard but he's also a good player.