Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Play at a neutral venue, and he's still alive isn't he? Not meaning to be demean the severity of what's happened, but life goes on and that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Moving all four limbs and even speaking apparently, which is nothing short of miraculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 hope muamba makes a quick recovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I hope you're not my doctor if I'm ever in A&E, Luke. Great news to hear he's awake and speaking to family. Forget about the football, hope a guy who's a year older than me gets to spend some time with his family, future wife and see his kid grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I hope you're not my doctor if I'm ever in A&E, Luke. I work in Anaesthetics and ICU, not A&E, and I see the after effects of these resuscitations, which are frequently catastrophic, especially with prolonged down times (by which I mean half an hour) Either that 2 hour figure isn't quite right or he had some bloody good CPR. Either way, delighted to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I hope you're not my doctor if I'm ever in A&E, Luke. I work in Anaesthetics and ICU, not A&E, and I see the after effects of these resuscitations, which are frequently catastrophic, especially with prolonged down times (by which I mean half an hour) Either that 2 hour figure isn't quite right or he had some bloody good CPR. Either way, delighted to be wrong. For the record. I'm as amazed as you are if these reports are all confirmed. His fiancee has said "All your prayers are working" so he's heading in the right direction. I absolutely didn't expect him to make it to the hospital, if I'm being totally honest. Amazing job done by the paramedics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5940 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I hope you're not my doctor if I'm ever in A&E, Luke. He was getting bagged within 60 seconds, most arrests dont have that luxury I work in Anaesthetics and ICU, not A&E, and I see the after effects of these resuscitations, which are frequently catastrophic, especially with prolonged down times (by which I mean half an hour) Either that 2 hour figure isn't quite right or he had some bloody good CPR. Either way, delighted to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Bit of a jip that the paramedics are getting all the credit here when everyone's been praying to god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Aye, but which god. *Bacon sales spiking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Bit of a jip that the paramedics are getting all the credit here when everyone's been praying to god It would appear that Muamba, his fiancee and his family have a total belief in the power of prayer and in the presence of God. I'm also sure they are totally grateful to the paramedics for what they did. Who are any of us to criticise anyones faith in a greater power.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) Bit of a jip that the paramedics are getting all the credit here when everyone's been praying to god It would appear that Muamba, his fiancee and his family have a total belief in the power of prayer and in the presence of God. I'm also sure they are totally grateful to the paramedics for what they did. Who are any of us to criticise anyones faith in a greater power.. Who are any of us to criticize absolute faith in an invisible, omnipotent fairy-man who takes requests? People with functioning brains, that's who. Edited March 19, 2012 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Bit of a jip that the paramedics are getting all the credit here when everyone's been praying to god It would appear that Muamba, his fiancee and his family have a total belief in the power of prayer and in the presence of God. I'm also sure they are totally grateful to the paramedics for what they did. Who are any of us to criticise anyones faith in a greater power.. Who are any of us to criticize absolute faith in an invisible, omnipotent fairy-man who takes requests? People with functioning brains, that's who. In your opinion. Let's leave the Muamba family to that faith right now eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) It's not my opinion--I have a functioning brain. THAT is a FACT. If we'd left them to their faith he'd be dead already. If someone has a heart attack you don't stand around thinking, "hmm, I mean, maybe I should give him CPR, but then again I could leave it in God's hands." Having a quick look at the figures for 'faith' vs 'medical treatment', I know which I'd opt for. I aint no sucka. Edited March 19, 2012 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 On a bit of a tangent, what's the legal stance on Jehovah's Witnesses refusing blood transfusion for their kids- if it's a life/death situation, can doctors go ahead and give it regardless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 A quick message to your so-called gods: you cannot fool me with your namby-pamby so-called scriptures; I have actually read more than one book in my life, I'm not falling for that shite. All your so-called prophets thought the earth was flat and had no idea what a germ was. They're all suckas and they can suck my balls. Muhammed was not a successful prophet, he converted about 4 people in his first year--some of them were family members who were so fed up of the bastard they just said, "yes ok already, I believe you. Now SHUT THE FUCK UP!"--and it wasn't until he befriended a king and converted him that he had any real success. You know why that is? Because the king said, "alright you cunts. If you don't believe this shite, I'm going to fucking kill the lot of you. So shape up, you utter bastards." Suddenly the people who had called bullshit on Mohammed turned round and said, "oh wait, what was that about Allah? Yeah, sounds good, count me in." And don't get me started on the so-called Jesus of Nazareth. He was a cunt who didn't exist, and even if he did exist, he was still a cunt. Yeah, come and follow me, leave your family and kids, the apocalypse is coming. Still waiting for that one, you crazy rabbi arsehole. What was his other schtick? Oh yeah, don't take responsibility for your actions, I'll just fart about on a cross for a few days and everything is kosher. Great advice! His doctrine was so successful that the christians were hanging about in fucking caves until one of them sucked off Constantine and got him to massacre everyone in europe. Don't get me started on religion, for God's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 A quick message to your so-called gods: you cannot fool me with your namby-pamby so-called scriptures; I have actually read more than one book in my life, I'm not falling for that shite. All your so-called prophets thought the earth was flat and had no idea what a germ was. They're all suckas and they can suck my balls. Muhammed was not a successful prophet, he converted about 4 people in his first year--some of them were family members who were so fed up of the bastard they just said, "yes ok already, I believe you. Now SHUT THE FUCK UP!"--and it wasn't until he befriended a king and converted him that he had any real success. You know why that is? Because the king said, "alright you cunts. If you don't believe this shite, I'm going to fucking kill the lot of you. So shape up, you utter bastards." Suddenly the people who had called bullshit on Mohammed turned round and said, "oh wait, what was that about Allah? Yeah, sounds good, count me in." And don't get me started on the so-called Jesus of Nazareth. He was a cunt who didn't exist, and even if he did exist, he was still a cunt. Yeah, come and follow me, leave your family and kids, the apocalypse is coming. Still waiting for that one, you crazy rabbi arsehole. What was his other schtick? Oh yeah, don't take responsibility for your actions, I'll just fart about on a cross for a few days and everything is kosher. Great advice! His doctrine was so successful that the christians were hanging about in fucking caves until one of them sucked off Constantine and got him to massacre everyone in europe. Don't get me started on religion, for God's sake. Back in your box pet. We'll do religion another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Don't get me started on religion, for God's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 On a bit of a tangent, what's the legal stance on Jehovah's Witnesses refusing blood transfusion for their kids- if it's a life/death situation, can doctors go ahead and give it regardless? Could you possibly find a bigger can of worms to open? I've got extended qualifications in legal and ethical anaesthesia and I still don't know where to start! Yes they can refuse. If the child is deemed capable of making the decision then they can override their parents decision. Docs can also get a court order if they deem it necessary to give blood. Some Witnesses believe that if the child were to die then it's God's will and they won't be judged as having done wrong by Him. Some Witnesses say "We'd rather you didn't give blood but if it's a matter of life and death then do it" Some don't really mind either way, and sometimes in big, messy operations where there is lots of blood loss we collect the spillage, wash and spin the red calls and re-infuse them into the same patient. You see what I mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Aye, worms indeed! Have you dealt with many? Not even sure how big a presence they are in the NE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 If I was anaesthetising a child and they urgently needed blood then I would give it to them regardless of their parents' wishes, and I believe the courts would back my actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Aye, worms indeed! Have you dealt with many? Not even sure how big a presence they are in the NE? We deal with a fair few of JW adults on everyday operating lists and if they refuse blood they have to sign a separate form etc but we rarely deal with JW children in an emergency 'bleeding to death' situation as my hospital isn't a paediatric specialist hospital and they'd be taken to the RVI instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'd be no good as a surgeon- if I got a JW I'd be sooo tempted to circumcise them when they were under, then call them Mr. Goldstein afterwards, just to mess with their heads. " THAT'S for knocking on my door on a fucking Sunday morning, twat!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6190 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Other games indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38821 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Sorry… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Aye, worms indeed! Have you dealt with many? Not even sure how big a presence they are in the NE? Apparently there have been epidemic outbreaks of worms as recently as 2009 in the NE. The situation is under control for now. Edited March 20, 2012 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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