The Fish 9033 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Chich, Chick, Chick, Chicken......... This is what we were talking about http://www.toontasti...ost__p__1074052 If you just jumped in without checking then fair enough, apology accepted. The point is, your question is based on a premise that I don't subscribe to. You're saying we need to replace people from our 1st 11. I'm saying that this isn't what we need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19878 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 CT, Jonas is not a player that needs replacing. The manager rates him too, his performances the past couple of seasons have rightly resulted in him being made our vice captain. I'd say his position at the club is more secure than the first team regulars such as Simpson, Williamson, Santon, R Taylor, S Taylor, Gosling, Guthrie, Obertan to name just a few. I'd say he's part of our senior group of players. He is rightly viewed by the manager - and the supporters - in the same light as the likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Colo, Cisse et al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Still not really clear what CT is banging on about here, he's had a good season Jonas, done an amazing amount of work to the extent its starting to go unremarked that he works his knackers off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9033 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 CT, Jonas is not a player that needs replacing. The manager rates him too, his performances the past couple of seasons have rightly resulted in him being made our vice captain. I'd say his position at the club is more secure than the first team regulars such as Simpson, Williamson, Santon, R Taylor, S Taylor, Gosling, Guthrie, Obertan to name just a few. I'd say he's part of our senior group of players. He is rightly viewed by the manager - and the supporters - in the same light as the likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Colo, Cisse et al He's vice-captain ffs But, because he hasn't got goals and assists, he's shit. Never mind that when he was playing on the wing we were winning free kicks, throw-ins, corners, we were pushing high up the pitch, we were winning possession, we were a constant threat down their right, despite ALL this, CT wants rid. It's as bad as Gemmil's Laurent Robert vendetta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 First we need a full back and a quality centre back. Probably will go down like a shit sandwich but I would go all out for Clyne, I admit this is based on the handful of times I have seen him and the comments from a Palace fan at work but he just looks class. Can see him ending up at Man U mind. Say we get Douglas in too then Amalfitano or Butterfield in midfield then I would go for a quality young forward with potential like Zaha. Complete kneejerk but if not Zaha I would be tempted on a punt for Moses. That said I don't think we will spend that much (probably looking at £20m), they are the sort of signings I think we should be looking to make though (a couple of quality defenders then good young players who will push the first teamers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 20m net? I'll be surprised if we spend that much net. I would guess 5m net or profit if we sell someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4235 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I dont think we're going to delve into the likes of Zaha tbh, hes been watched a lot this season and that kind of player from the CCC tends to cost a premium especially since hes gone for english nationalit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Moses could be coming good and his temperament looks to be improving, especially his composure. I just dont see us in for that sort of player. His value will be much higher now he is performing a bit more consistently but he isnt a 'value' signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Yeah I agree with all those comments, was just thinking out loud really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The point is, your question is based on a premise that I don't subscribe to. You're saying we need to replace people from our 1st 11. I'm saying that this isn't what we need to do. But that was the theoretical proposition I posed. Had you not wanted to take part you should not have jumped in. A lesson learnt perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Still not really clear what CT is banging on about here, he's had a good season Jonas, done an amazing amount of work to the extent its starting to go unremarked that he works his knackers off. Its pretty damn simple. If you could replace three of the current first team who would they be? Most people rightly go for Simpson and Williamson. I was interested who peoples third choice would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 He's vice-captain ffs But, because he hasn't got goals and assists, he's shit. Never mind that when he was playing on the wing we were winning free kicks, throw-ins, corners, we were pushing high up the pitch, we were winning possession, we were a constant threat down their right, despite ALL this, CT wants rid. It's as bad as Gemmil's Laurent Robert vendetta. What utter crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19878 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Its pretty damn simple. If you could replace three of the current first team who would they be? Most people rightly go for Simpson and Williamson. I was interested who peoples third choice would be. I gave you a few first team regulars from this season that he's ahead of. Naturally, there aren't many in the current starting 11 that need replacing given its the best performing side for a decade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4235 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Its pretty damn simple. If you could replace three of the current first team who would they be? Most people rightly go for Simpson and Williamson. I was interested who peoples third choice would be. our none existent starting left-back, Taylor (since williamson is 3rd CB) and Simpson in all likelihood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I gave you a few first team regulars from this season that he's ahead of. Naturally, there aren't many in the current starting 11 that need replacing given its the best performing side for a decade You didnt, you gave me squad players. I even listed the first eleven for you. Of course it was a theoretical question but at the end of the day, improving on the first eleven is the only way to progress. I think its becoming pretty clear why people are avoiding the question More wriggling than a bucket of snakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 our none existent starting left-back, Taylor (since williamson is 3rd CB) and Simpson in all likelihood He wasnt in the list either. Krul Simpson Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye Jonas Hatem Cisse Ba I would probably value them in this order. Cisse Cabaye Coloccini Krul Tiote Ben Arfa Santon Ba Jonas Simpson Williamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4235 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 who wasnt in the list? you said our starting 11 right? but we dont actually have a left back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 who wasnt in the list? you said our starting 11 right? but we dont actually have a left back Im not explaining it again. Ive just run it by the dog and she gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4235 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 well honestly Ive not really read what youve been saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 well honestly Ive not really read what youve been saying I gather pies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9033 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Im not explaining it again. Ive just run it by the dog and she gets it. I'd get rid of Ba and take Ronaldo then. It's a question without merit you retard. CT, you've basically tried to construct a cul de sac, but nobody is stupid enough to drive down it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooner 243 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I'd get rid of Ba and take Ronaldo then. It's a question without merit you retard. CT, you've basically tried to construct a cul de sac, but nobody is stupid enough to drive down it. this.....or messi for HBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I'd get rid of Ba and take Ronaldo then. It's a question without merit you retard. CT, you've basically tried to construct a cul de sac, but nobody is stupid enough to drive down it. Not at all. You are all quite happy to name two of the 11 but cant manage three. You should try and ease of the name calling. It does you no favours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6441 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Our season has put a canny premium on even our less able players, this mob will be trying to cash in on that while obviously trying to resist losing the big stars. I imagine a mixture of relief and disappointment on outgoings but a pleasing influx. I'd accept losing Ba if we can hang on to Cisse. Of course I don't want us to lose any players, but think it is deluded to believe we can always hold on to everyone. I hope we can keep our superb midfield together. We need 2 defenders. If Wilson goes I think Perch can do that job as ably, but we need a proper CB. I'm not unhappy with Santon persisting on the left but it would be good to have more cover/options in that corner. I think we'll feel in the black after the summer, but I expect a disappointment. Maybe that's a better place to be than expecting a marquee signing. Managing expectations is a subtle art, but it can serve all well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Maybe the last 12 months has taught us we maybe shouldnt fear change as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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