ewerk 26793 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Were they really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Were they really? Still are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 A couple with two children where one works and the other cannot would receive £17 a week on £30,000 or £900* a year approx. *2015-2016, obviously they'll now get nothing next April, most on a lower income will lose at least £1,300 a year. The gain they'll get from paying less paye is a pittance compared to that loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26793 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Is that where one parent is earning £30k or you have both parents working their bollocks off for £15k each? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Is that where one parent is earning £30k or you have both parents working their bollocks off for £15k each? Well in the example I've put it's the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Anyway, it isn't the 1,720 or 4,815 that CT's obscured screen shot suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Is that where one parent is earning £30k or you have both parents working their bollocks off for £15k each? Same difference, just calculated it on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 £30,000 income and getting £4815 a year on tax credits? Nee wonder the cunts can afford all those 50" plasma tv's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26793 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There's a big difference though between where one parent is choosing to earn £30k, which is a very decent salary, while their partner stays at home and a situation where you have two parents working hard to scrape £30k between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Anyway, I'm off to bed, early start for a hard working, scrounging animal like myself. Night, night, CT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There's a big difference though between where one parent is choosing to earn £30k, which is a very decent salary, while their partner stays at home and a situation where you have two parents working hard to scrape £30k between them. You're assuming the other can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 There may well be a difference, but imo, a family income of £30,000 shouldn't be getting topped up by benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26793 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 You're assuming the other can work. I'm not, hence 'choosing'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 We're expecting to lose £1,300 plus next year in tax credits, FWIW. 'Luckily' for me I'm expecting to go on a new, more anti-social shift pattern that will just about match that loss from next year, the extra pay rise is supposed to compensate us for the extra hours worked/night shift/weekend working we have to do but not now of course, I'll just be standing still. Others won't be so lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There may well be a difference, but imo, a family income of £30,000 shouldn't be getting topped up by benefits. Ok, that's a valid point, even though it isn't being topped up by the amount you're inferring. What about those on an income far less than that that are losing at least the same amount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 £30,000 income and getting £4815 a year on tax credits? Nee wonder the cunts can afford all those 50" plasma tv's. I'm clearly missing out on some benefit or other that I should be claiming! (Not entitled to anything from anyone apparently) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 There may well be a difference, but imo, a family income of £30,000 shouldn't be getting topped up by benefits. Irrespective of family size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pretty sure there was a calculator on here where the cuts were fucking brutal on people on half of the 30,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I'm clearly missing out on some benefit or other that I should be claiming! (Not entitled to anything from anyone apparently) Well there is more unclaimed benefits than benefits obtained by fraud. (Obviously not including tax avoiding fraud which dwarfs the benefit fraud but is obviously a lower priority for some reason?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27516 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Anyway, bedtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Ok, that's a valid point, even though it isn't being topped up by the amount you're inferring. What about those on an income far less than that that are losing at least the same amount? I'm not inferring anything. I just copied and pasted the table from HMRC. As for the principal of making employers to pay a higher wage and stop the welfare subsidising low wages, I think it's sensible. As to what a family income should be before welfare kicks in, that's open to debate. My situation is 3 kids at home and between me and the wife we take home approx 21 - 22 thousand. We pay a mortgage, eat etc and get by. Child benefit and tax credits help, but we'd still get by without them. There's probably 1000 more deserving causes where that money would do more good such as poor pensioners or old people who need care at home. I don't know all your circumstances but you did say you were mortgage free so maybe you have other expenses and it's tougher for you. I wouldn't for one minute call you a scrounger as this is just money that Government chose to give you. It's obviously going to effect some more than others. It was just a well meaning idea that just got way out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 21-22k for you, three kids and a wife. Taking into account your double portion sizes and extra pounds you're happy feeding and housing 6 people on less than the average wage for one person? Grim as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 If you say so, it must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14898 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) As for the principal of making employers to pay a higher wage and stop the welfare subsidising low wages, I think it's sensible. So do I, but as HMHM is saying, its not happening at his place, he's having to make up the difference by changing his shift pattern, a pretty good example of what the government's policy really is i.e. "whip them till they drop"... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/05/hunt-tax-credit-cuts-make-britons-work-like-chinese-or-americans Edited October 12, 2015 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 So do I, but as HMHM is saying, its not happening at his place, he's having to make up the difference by changing his shift pattern, a pretty good example of what the government's policy really is i.e. "whip them till they drop"... http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/05/hunt-tax-credit-cuts-make-britons-work-like-chinese-or-americans I know it ain't a perfect world and some people get more / less than others, but whichever party is in power there is only a set amount coming in unless they borrow extra. Imo, there's more deserving needs in the country for that money than topping up the wages of somebody on £20,000 a year. (I'm not talking about HMHM btw, I'm talking in general). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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