Rayvin 4964 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Gemmill said:   This guy is really good - another tweet thread he has covers that Labour has adopted the phrasing for the definition of anti-semitism word for word from the IHRA, and his contention is that the bits that they've changed were done because the IHRA document is non legally binding, and the code of conduct -is- legally binding. They can't have woolly examples, and need clarity. Maybe this guy is a very good PR person, or maybe this is a media witch hunt again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Â Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 You were just dying for an excuse to post that, weren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26391 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Rayvin said:  This guy is really good - another tweet thread he has covers that Labour has adopted the phrasing for the definition of anti-semitism word for word from the IHRA, and his contention is that the bits that they've changed were done because the IHRA document is non legally binding, and the code of conduct -is- legally binding. They can't have woolly examples, and need clarity. Maybe this guy is a very good PR person, or maybe this is a media witch hunt again. But yet no one from Labour has made that point despite incredible scrutiny? This fella may as well have loaded them into the gas chambers himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018  It only occurred to me when I saw your post but I didn't need much of an excuse tbf.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Just now, ewerk said: But yet no one from Labour has made that point despite incredible scrutiny? This fella may as well have loaded them into the gas chambers himself.  The contention that Labour's PR people are fucking useless is not a new one. Also, Corbyn genuinely doesn't seem to give a shit about confronting the media on such allegations, to his detriment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26391 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 This guy is grasping at straws. This is all down to Corbyn's lack of intelligence. These guidelines don't prohibit him from saying anything that he has already said. He's just a dim, obstinate cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3981 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Just read that the person who compared Israel to Nazis at Corbyn's "conference" was an Auschwitz survivor whose parents died there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Rayvin said: @Dr Gloom  Yeah fair enough - I won't go through point by point as I think some of those have reached natural endings, but the last bit you mentioned where you said the bit about not consulting actual Jews - it's my understanding that they did. They just didn't consult Jews with pro-Israel sympathies? Good post btw. did they? like who? i wasn't aware of that. even if they did, why not speak to jews on both sides of the debate? if they had properly consulted the jewish community they could have easily predicted how this would play out and avoided this ongoing media shit storm. the fact that the most progressive mainstream political party in the UK felt compelled to act on the issue in the first place is bad enough. this was supposed to about labour getting its house in order and ending a long-running row, which you could argue has received way too many column inches given everything else that's going on in the world right now, and yet they somehow contrive to fuck it up! what i find most galling is that they felt the need to design a bespoke code in the first place, like the version which is globally recognised isn't good enough. what a set of pompous dickheads. does corbyn want to lead a debating club or a government? i think we agree about the racist endeavour line - it isn't brilliantly worded - but it's there because jews fear those who seek to overturn it also deny the jewish state's right to exist. the IHRA definition allows for plenty of debate about israel's current policy. if they had just adopted the full thing, labour MPs would have been free to call israel racist state under netanyahu all they like. and let's be fair, it's hard to argue against that - the likud government has little interest in peace. so it begs the question why they couldn't just adopt the IHRA definition in the first place - is it all about principle and free speech? are they determined to protect antisemites in the party? or are they just idiots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4222 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Just looking at ths thread thinking "609 pages a lot of waffling, wonder what page 1 looked like" Â The first post is CT posting and talking about an article called "We must be fair to everyone, even the rich" and the second is him being called an idiot. Â The more things change... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Ian Austin has his say in the standard https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/antisemitism-is-threatening-the-party-i-once-joined-with-pride-a3901351.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 This has taken the heat off the Tory party mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Massively. Hugely avoidable own goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Good piece on Labour and antsemitism by Owen Jones https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/labour-and-the-anti-semitism-saga-or-walking-and-chewing-gum-d0c6388aa661 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 It's 2018. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26391 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 But all too common, I know several people who have been quizzed at passport control because of it. Not just in the U.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Well obviously it's common in Ireland. Â Living in sin! Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26391 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just wait until they see two fellas bringing a child through Dublin airport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 *sex toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Another sensible oped on my pet subject https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/02/jeremy-corbyn-labour-antisemitism-peter-willsman-momentum?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34505 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 https://medium.com/@ZarinaZabrisky/imitation-games-f9fee3c50aa8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Fuck sake  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45083275?SThisFB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Straight out of the Bannon playbook, that one. Pandering to the Kipper end of the Tory pool, which turns out to be a regrettably deep one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4222 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 We don't seem to hear much outcry of the tory party having an anti-muslim problem though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30429 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Straight out of the Bannon playbook, that one. Pandering to the Kipper end of the Tory pool, which turns out to be a regrettably deep one. Yep, whilst not actually committing to anything concrete such as a proposal to ban the burka in public places. Not to mention the fact that he spends his entire life looking ridiculous (literally and metaphorically). Edited August 7, 2018 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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