Happy Face 29 Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Jason Burke, who wrote the book on jihadists, says Trump will soon be able to declare victory on ISIS and claim a major campaign promise has been delivered. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/after-islamic-state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Is that a bad thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26475 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I think it would be a bit much for him to claim the victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Aye but that's what any politician would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) Jason Burke, who wrote the book on jihadists, says Trump will soon be able to declare victory on ISIS and claim a major campaign promise has been delivered. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/after-islamic-state Has he been out there? Seems a bit potted history - cobbled together. First images of Jihadis dissipated from the media and now articles have all but disappeared. It don't mean it's so. Isis are losing on multiple fronts but were they really ever actually winning? Lot of the areas of Syria they took were not properly defended as Assad under Russian military advice turned to defending key sites that could be re-supplied and compact. Isis not being able to fight on open ground only ever really took villages and small town and secondary cities and then hid in them knowing that we didn't have the will at first to get in them and fight street to street. Only the appearances of Iranian special forces and Hezbollah (world class street fighters) changed this mural. I have doubted Isis military capability and that the tide was turned so fast by the Russian concentrated air campaign 3 months or so doesn't suggest Isis really knew what they were doing. The insurgency in Iraq was a continuation of the Iraq war and predominantly ex-Iraqi army elements. The jaw dropping sight of murderous Sunni militia riding around on American Armour and Humvee and one mustn't forget Blackwater. This 'in theater package was put together in the Pentagon and not by clerics and rogue commanders in Raqqa and Jeddah. The media for their own reasons gave a huge big up to Isis without really analysing who was doing the fighting. It is estimated that 70% of the fighters in Syria are from other countries this was the sea change that woke our military commanders up. Who flew them in? Who prepared the 'rat runs' through Turkey? And the miraculous sudden appearance of front line logistics? Rag tag armies don't do logistics... I personally think the next front will be the Caucasus. What is Trump gonna do? Declare a victory over a myth? Remember if Isis are truly done a new enemy will have to be declared and budgets protected. Edited April 14, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Has he been out there? Seems a bit potted history - cobbled together. First images of Jihadis dissipated from the media and now articles have all but disappeared. It don't mean it's so. Isis are losing on multiple fronts but were they really ever actually winning? Lot of the areas of Syria they took were not properly defended as Assad under Russian military advice turned to defending key sites that could be re-supplied and compact. Isis not being able to fight on open ground only ever really took villages and small town and secondary cities and then hid in them knowing that we didn't have the will at first to get in them and fight street to street. Only the appearances of Iranian special forces and Hezbollah (world class street fighters) changed this mural. I have doubted Isis military capability and that the tide was turned so fast by the Russian concentrated air campaign 3 months or so doesn't suggest Isis really knew what they were doing. The insurgency in Iraq was a continuation of the Iraq war and predominantly ex-Iraqi army elements. The jaw dropping sight of murderous Sunni militia riding around on American Armour and Humvee and one mustn't forget Blackwater. The media for their own reasons gave a huge big up to Isis without really analysing who was doing the fighting. It is estimated that 70% of the fighters in Syria are from other countries this was the sea change that woke our military commanders up. I personally think the next front will be the Caucasus. What is Trump gonna do? Declare a victory over a myth? Remember if Isis are truly done a new enemy will have to be declared and budgets protected. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Burke Think you've repeated a lot of the article. Trump will declare victory though, no matter how pyrrhic. Like bush on the deck of that aircraft carrier in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 If you read between the lines I'm saying something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) I mean they would get into a town and start taxing it and stealing the food supply, chopping heads, raping women and taking slaves until it all started running out and in the early days their supply chain was more or less unhindered (till the Russians came in). NATO spent 3 years hitting hard sites and Regime infastructure while Isis continued to steal and sell oil. Not one soul anywhere in the Pentagon with its world class satellite surveillance did jack squat about the oil sales....Till Russia came in and hit the tankers. NATO hit Isis hard when they deemed it was fighting in the wrong direction ie near Israel or toward Saudi. I mean in that area the Kurds beat back Isis they did it in a matter of months and infact all it drew was Turkish airstrikes. You see none of this makes sense if you look at the narrative we've been sold. There is a part of the deep state (not only its mouthpiece McCain) that was hoping Isis and others would take down Assad and that the threat was regional/local...In theater. And they got behind it with all this FSA claptrap...Black budgets were fired up. Saudi Swiss bank accounts ran hot...It was only when Isis started recruiting form 17 countries that they realised it might not be. Right now they are probably talking about how to get money into Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Edited April 14, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howay 12462 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) I get that he is fucking ridiculous but that Fox reporter really said "unmanned" when agreeing with Trump about how phenomenal all the missiles launched from a ship hit their target, missiles usually are unmanned like. The look of utter confusion on his face when she corrects him btw, he doesn't have a clue does he? Remembered the beautiful chocolate cake the utter nugget. As if that has any relevance, unless of course he mentioned which of his restaurants they were dining at in which case it's another advert for his trampy establishments. His mouth breathing is off the charts on that video as well. Edited April 14, 2017 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 "Iraq!" "Syria?" "Yeah, whatever, brown people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I get that he is fucking ridiculous but that Fox reporter really said "unmanned" when agreeing with Trump about how phenomenal all the missiles launched from a ship hit their target, missiles usually are unmanned like. The look of utter confusion on his face when she corrects him btw, he doesn't have a clue does he? Remembered the beautiful chocolate cake the utter nugget. As if that has any relevance, unless of course he mentioned which of his restaurants they were dining at in which case it's another advert for his trampy establishments. His mouth breathing is off the charts on that video as well. Notice he can't even mention a chocolate cake without exaggerating the dimensions btw. His base will absolutely lap this stuff up. Just a regular billionaire you could have a drink with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12462 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Notice he can't even mention a chocolate cake without exaggerating the dimensions btw. His base will absolutely lap this stuff up. Just a regular billionaire you could have a drink with. Aye, I've no idea how it doesn't get on their nerves at all. Every single thing is phenomenal, or beautiful, or the best you've ever seen, it's just fucking tedious to listen too especially when it has no fucking purpose. Like explaining how amazing it is that these missiles all hit as if it's some revelation, they usually do that's why they cost over $1m each and you shot 50 odd of them while cutting meals on wheels for people. I agree they'll lap it up though, the fact he's having this level of conversation over chocolate cake will have them thinking about how they asked their cousin for a blazza in the Denny's 'restaurant' near them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 WTF is a blazza, you massive Yank? And how is it that half that country apparently feels most affinity with a 70-year-old billionaire with Alzheimer's. I thought they'd found their level with GW, but no, too bookish apparently. Have you considered running away yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12462 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 WTF is a blazza, you massive Yank? And how is it that half that country apparently feels most affinity with a 70-year-old billionaire with Alzheimer's. I thought they'd found their level with GW, but no, too bookish apparently. Have you considered running away yet? I heard that growing up in Newcastle man! It means blow job. Haha, he's crackers for sure but from a purely selfish perspective it's not having any impact on me personally as I have good healthcare coverage etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I thought that might be it too. Wolves getting back into this. Not sure if this is the right thread for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 His aggression with N.Korea is a great thing imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 It actually would be a good thing if it was a humanitarian success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 It turns out Mar-e-Lego has a nuclear bunker. It's why he luzzes missiles and then runs there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13883 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 In laymans terms - USA & NK are on about having a big old war because NK have some weapons that they occasionally fire into the sea. Definitely worth the hundreds of thousands of deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 In laymans terms - USA & NK are on about having a big old war because NK have some weapons that they occasionally fire into the sea. Definitely worth the hundreds of thousands of deaths. Not sure if serious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 To be brutally honest, NK has to come crashing down at some point. China should be doing it but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 In laymans terms - USA & NK are on about having a big old war because NK have some weapons that they occasionally fire into the sea. Definitely worth the hundreds of thousands of deaths. I guess this is why laymen shouldn't make political decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Should have happened years ago. Letting them strengthen their capabilities has made potential shitstorm greater. That's why it needs to happen now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 American gets all puffed up when it realises it will be fighting against 70's technology. Having given it large about China all though his campaign now that Trump has been informed it's a no go he's gone for the 2nd best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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