Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Alex said: Despite all her patter to the contrary a Tory government suits Sturgeon. Agree here, but she has to play the game well else she ends up being exposed as a useful idiot. I mentioned yesterday that polling indicates her support is falling these days - I think the SNP need to make improving people's lives the primary goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20164 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 CT is balancing his night shifts as a cabbie with a part time gig as a lobby reporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4004 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: We'll see how it goes I guess. Tbf, the Tories are still up in the polls in big enough numbers that this may all turn out to be rather irrelevant Oddly it seems to be the collapse of the fringe parties that have contributed to this, rather than Labour. I don't know, I was talking to a few tory voters last night who are all switching to Labour. I honestly don't think anyone has a real clue about the result next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, Dr Gloom said: CT is balancing his night shifts as a cabbie with a part time gig as a lobby reporter What are your thoughts on the past few days? You've not said much and your insights from the media side of things are normally useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: I don't know, I was talking to a few tory voters last night who are all switching to Labour. I honestly don't think anyone has a real clue about the result next week. Did they say why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4004 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: CT is balancing his night shifts as a cabbie with a part time gig as a lobby reporter We haven't had an update from you lately. Are you still touring the nation. Has it changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30788 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Agree here, but she has to play the game well else she ends up being exposed as a useful idiot. I mentioned yesterday that polling indicates her support is falling these days - I think the SNP need to make improving people's lives the primary goal. I find her refreshingly honest (comparatively) in general but she's pragmatic enough to play the game, as you put it. I tend to agree about what she should be doing and why that is perhaps why support has wained (sic). The reliance on oil revenue makes Scotland a bit of a basket case outwith the EU. I thought it was canny typical of them to vote to stay in the Union then elect shitloads of SNP MPs at the General Election. I might add that I like the place and the people (although that's a rather meaningless platitude but I certainly have nothing against them) but they might have to take a long hard look at themselves if the day ever came when they couldn't blame the English for all their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 @Meenzer Tim Farron has just refused to confirm whether or not homosexuality is a sin. Something I thought had been cleared up previously but which, looking at it now, he was apparently lying about last time, and can't force it past his conscience twice. Not a good look for the Democrats sadly. They look like they're going to pick up very little of what we hoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4004 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Did they say why? The Money Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30788 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Tim Farron reminds me of the (new) bloke off the Sooty Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Alex said: I find her refreshingly honest (comparatively) in general but she's pragmatic enough to play the game, as you put it. I tend to agree about what she should be doing and why that is perhaps why support has wained (sic). The reliance on oil revenue makes Scotland a bit of a basket case outwith the EU. I thought it was canny typical of them to vote to stay in the Union then elect shitloads of SNP MPs at the General Election. I might add that I like the place and the people (although that's a rather meaningless platitude but I certainly have nothing against them) but they might have to take a long hard look at themselves if the day ever came when they couldn't blame the English for all their problems. Can't disagree with any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4004 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: @Meenzer Tim Farron has just refused to confirm whether or not homosexuality is a sin. Something I thought had been cleared up previously but which, looking at it now, he was apparently lying about last time, and can't force it past his conscience twice. Not a good look for the Democrats sadly. They look like they're going to pick up very little of what we hoped. He's the weakest leader they've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: The Money Tree Fair enough, at least they're voting in their own interests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: He's the weakest leader they've ever had. Certainly the weakest I can remember. I think he'll resign following the vote. EDIT - that said, one of the Tory MPs has defected to the Dems - so they've gained at least one seat they didn't already have! Well, very likely they have anyway. Edited June 2, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14136 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 They didn't have many options after the 2015 whitewash really. But yeah, it's not exactly ideal. I mean, I couldn't really care less what he talks about to the imaginary man in the sky as long as his voting record holds up, but it is kind of incongruous for the leader of a supposedly progressive party to be embroiled in discussions about this all the time, whether fairly or unfairly. More concerning is the lack of impact made by him and the party generally though (but we've talked about that already and I do think this GE poses a uniquely polarised set of circumstances, with every passing day it's becoming more like a yes/no referendum on the Tory way of doing things than anything else). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26809 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 They're still going on about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20164 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I've been away in Spain on leave for half term so only following things from afar. My experiences on the doorstep during my election road trip weren't particularly encouraging for Labour but that was a few weeks ago now. I'm not getting carried away just yet - listening to my liberal leftie echo chamber didn't work out for me with Brexit or Trump - but it doesn't look like it's going to be the disaster we feared, thanks mainly to May being seemingly intent on pissing it away. If the tories fail to secure a majority it'll be the biggest self inflicted political fuck up since Cameron called the EU referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4970 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: I've been away in Spain on leave for half term so only following things from afar. My experiences on the doorstep during my election road trip weren't particularly encouraging for Labour but that was a few weeks ago now. I'm not getting carried away just yet - listening to my liberal leftie echo chamber didn't work out for me with Brexit or Trump - but it doesn't look like it's going to be the disaster we feared, thanks mainly to May being seemingly intent on pissing it away. If the tories fail to secure a majority it'll be the biggest self inflicted political fuck up since Cameron called the EU referendum. I love how we're living in an era where the biggest self inflicted political fuck ups come around on an almost yearly basis. Edited June 2, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18050 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Is she dead? Is it a "holiday at Bernie's" situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ayatollah Hermione 12899 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Meenzer said: They didn't have many options after the 2015 whitewash really. But yeah, it's not exactly ideal. I mean, I couldn't really care less what he talks about to the imaginary man in the sky as long as his voting record holds up, but it is kind of incongruous for the leader of a supposedly progressive party to be embroiled in discussions about this all the time, whether fairly or unfairly. More concerning is the lack of impact made by him and the party generally though (but we've talked about that already and I do think this GE poses a uniquely polarised set of circumstances, with every passing day it's becoming more like a yes/no referendum on the Tory way of doing things than anything else). This is where I fall on it. You vote on the left side of the spectrum or you're basically admitting that you couldn't care less about the less fortunate in this country getting forced further and further into the shittest lives possible. For all the talk about how it's so interesting to look at seats, polls and leadership campaigns, this is an election based around the fundamentals of living in this country. Wages, safety nets, public services and your loved ones in situations where they need all of those. It's hard not to look at anyone who is aware of those things and votes for the Tories as beneath contempt tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6090 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 55 minutes ago, Renton said: Is she dead? Is it a "holiday at Bernie's" situation? It's "Weekend at Bernie's" you heathen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14136 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Kerrang! has come out for Corbyn. Bloody Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 What's going on man, Jezza's went from quiet down and out to a hero, knight in shining armour in the space of 7 days. Madness I wonder what the Blairites are thinking now? All of this party division seems to have disappeared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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