Transfers, 2024-25 season

[NobbySol 399]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

There's a mess of reasons why we're struggling. Joelinton being below par, Gordon being below par, Hall missing. All of those things expose Burn and compound upon each other. e.g. If Gordon was flying, we wouldn't notice how Burn struggles against pace because the two opposition players on that flank would be pressed back. If Joelinton was his wrecking ball best Gordon wouldn't need to do so much defensive work and Burn wouldn't be expected to contribute up the business end. 

 

 

Would agree with this but also add with Burn that he's never played 2 games a week plus internationals, until now. 

 

He has look laboured later on in games and that does tax the body for a full back, exposed further for those without natural pace.

 

He wouldn't be this exposed later on when at CB.

 

We need full back additions asap and also better management of the 11 - ie using the squad without having an impact on intensity, which we had been known for the previous 2 seasons at least.

[Toonpack 15507]

35 minutes ago, NobbySol said:

 

Would agree with this but also add with Burn that he's never played 2 games a week plus internationals, until now. 

 

He has look laboured later on in games and that does tax the body for a full back, exposed further for those without natural pace.

 

He wouldn't be this exposed later on when at CB.

 

We need full back additions asap and also better management of the 11 - ie using the squad without having an impact on intensity, which we had been known for the previous 2 seasons at least.

 

We don't really, it would be nice but I'm not sure where they could come from to play second fiddle to Hall/Tino, we need our first choices fit, to have lost both to long term injury is beyond unlucky. We have adequate cover for a game or two in normal circumstances, but months without either is what's killing us.

[The Fish 12521]

43 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

We don't really, it would be nice but I'm not sure where they could come from to play second fiddle to Hall/Tino, we need our first choices fit, to have lost both to long term injury is beyond unlucky. We have adequate cover for a game or two in normal circumstances, but months without either is what's killing us.

 

Honestly I see only two realistic options;

 

1. youth prospects (so younger even than 21 and 23yr olds Hall and Livramento?!)

2. experienced Premier League fullbacks, happy to sit on the bench and help out now and then (so someone like Matt Targett would be perfect...)

[Toonpack 15507]

18 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

Honestly I see only two realistic options;

 

1. youth prospects (so younger even than 21 and 23yr olds Hall and Livramento?!)

2. experienced Premier League fullbacks, happy to sit on the bench and help out now and then (so someone like Matt Targett would be perfect...)

 

That's about it I reckon, not so much Targett though

[Gemmill 62979]

Mate was saying the BBC are reporting Man City trying to include Trafford in a deal for Tino in January. Don't know if that's just some reporter making stuff up or not. 

 

I don't know much about decent RB availability but feels like it would be another backward step if he left. 

[Holden McGroin 9863]

Not much point in getting Trafford in January as we have Ramsdale for the season.

[The Fish 12521]

Fuck 'em, we might have been more willing to trade if they hadn't waded in for Trafford in the summer. But surely there's no benefit to giving them our best right back (and second best left back) for a 'keeper that may be available on the cheap soon anyway.

[trophyshy 8997]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

Mate was saying the BBC are reporting Man City trying to include Trafford in a deal for Tino in January. Don't know if that's just some reporter making stuff up or not. 

 

I don't know much about decent RB availability but feels like it would be another backward step if he left. 

 

Trafford AND Donnarumma or GTF.

[wykikitoon 28481]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

Mate was saying the BBC are reporting Man City trying to include Trafford in a deal for Tino in January. Don't know if that's just some reporter making stuff up or not. 

 

I don't know much about decent RB availability but feels like it would be another backward step if he left. 

Read that in a few places.  Would be gutted if he left.
 

[NobbySol 399]

3 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

We don't really, it would be nice but I'm not sure where they could come from to play second fiddle to Hall/Tino, we need our first choices fit, to have lost both to long term injury is beyond unlucky. We have adequate cover for a game or two in normal circumstances, but months without either is what's killing us.

 

We do need additions whatever way you look at it. How they come in & what form, different discussion.

 

A side in Europe who is moderately successful, is going to play between 55 and 60 games a season. Super successful ones closer to 70. Granted we may not get into Europe again this time round but you're talking potentially 45-50 games anyway.

 

There is room for a good full back to come in. We have 3 as it stands now, in Trips, Tino & Hall. 

 

Trippier is a leader and was excellent from Jan to March this year. He is regressing as expected and doesnt impact the game much going forward and has much less in the tank. Krafth has gone from dependable to a weak link, as other sides improve in the premier league. 

 

We've seen the material drop down in quality and overall balance to the side, when one of Tino/Hall is missing, horrendous when both are.

 

There's easily 20 starts (probably 30 appareances) when in Europe for a new full back to come in and play. 

 

If we aren't getting a new full back of quality, then in reality we need a centre back that is very very good at full back. City & Arsenal have that and with Schar possibily going & Burn moving into the twilight of his career, there is room for that too.

 

Cannot rely on Hall Tino Trips Krafth Burn as full back options going forward. The first two are international standard, the rest are now unfortunately lower end premier league standard (as full backs).

[Toonpack 15507]

21 minutes ago, NobbySol said:

 

We do need additions whatever way you look at it. How they come in & what form, different discussion.

 

A side in Europe who is moderately successful, is going to play between 55 and 60 games a season. Super successful ones closer to 70. Granted we may not get into Europe again this time round but you're talking potentially 45-50 games anyway.

 

There is room for a good full back to come in. We have 3 as it stands now, in Trips, Tino & Hall. 

 

Trippier is a leader and was excellent from Jan to March this year. He is regressing as expected and doesnt impact the game much going forward and has much less in the tank. Krafth has gone from dependable to a weak link, as other sides improve in the premier league. 

 

We've seen the material drop down in quality and overall balance to the side, when one of Tino/Hall is missing, horrendous when both are.

 

There's easily 20 starts (probably 30 appareances) when in Europe for a new full back to come in and play. 

 

If we aren't getting a new full back of quality, then in reality we need a centre back that is very very good at full back. City & Arsenal have that and with Schar possibily going & Burn moving into the twilight of his career, there is room for that too.

 

Cannot rely on Hall Tino Trips Krafth Burn as full back options going forward. The first two are international standard, the rest are now unfortunately lower end premier league standard (as full backs).

 

Agree longer term (next summer) but I don't agree that it is an asap need as you suggested, Hall and Tino back and Tripps/Burn/Krafth as depth, hopefully only occasionally needed, will be OK right now and for rest of the season.

 

Futureproofing is needed but that's not a January fix IMO unless there's some kid we've got an eye on.

[NobbySol 399]

1 hour ago, Toonpack said:

 

Agree longer term (next summer) but I don't agree that it is an asap need as you suggested, Hall and Tino back and Tripps/Burn/Krafth as depth, hopefully only occasionally needed, will be OK right now and for rest of the season.

 

Futureproofing is needed but that's not a January fix IMO unless there's some kid we've got an eye on.

 

If we were talking Trippier of 18 months ago I'd agree.

 

My worry is the impact of lower quality full backs has had a material impact on performance against poorer sides and we are languishing at the wrong end of the table. It may change if we are launched out of Europe earlier than February but we don't have high quality cover, we have capable cover that massively impacts how we play.

 

Burn has been a good LB in the past when he didn't have to attack and tucked in as a 3. I think he tries to in his current role mirror Hall/Tino because we need that now (with Trips a different player now) and does not have the legs or speed to do consistently so.

 

Win tomorrow and who cares. 

 

 

[Toonpack 15507]

2 hours ago, NobbySol said:

 

If we were talking Trippier of 18 months ago I'd agree.

 

My worry is the impact of lower quality full backs has had a material impact on performance against poorer sides and we are languishing at the wrong end of the table. It may change if we are launched out of Europe earlier than February but we don't have high quality cover, we have capable cover that massively impacts how we play.

 

Burn has been a good LB in the past when he didn't have to attack and tucked in as a 3. I think he tries to in his current role mirror Hall/Tino because we need that now (with Trips a different player now) and does not have the legs or speed to do consistently so.

 

Win tomorrow and who cares. 

 

 

 

The thing that's impacted us is the fact both our first choice fullbacks have had long term injuries, any backups we could have would be a drop off. They come back and the Tripps degredation issue becomes a rare issue and we'd not be running him into the ground either. Yes I agree better depth would be nice, but is unlikely until the summer and given the 2 good one's are just about back the problem has all but gone away for now.

[NobbySol 399]

2 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

The thing that's impacted us is the fact both our first choice fullbacks have had long term injuries, any backups we could have would be a drop off. They come back and the Tripps degredation issue becomes a rare issue and we'd not be running him into the ground either. Yes I agree better depth would be nice, but is unlikely until the summer and given the 2 good one's are just about back the problem has all but gone away for now.

 

I agree with plenty but changing the way we play by not having them there is not working. I genuinely think we beat arsenal if Tino stays on. 

 

Can't get up the pitch with burn and trips as full backs. 

 

I agree with you on the January piece. I don't think we're signing a specialist full back, perhaps a utility player of calibre that can play various roles is more likely, if anyone. 

[Holden McGroin 9863]

Wolves look doomed so we can probs get get Strand Larsen for about £20m in the Summer. 😀

 

I like Joao Gomes as well. There is a player in there.

[wykikitoon 28481]

According to CN palace are looking at Willock in Jan

[OTF 10527]

On 22/11/2025 at 00:57, trophyshy said:

 

Trafford AND Donnarumma or GTF.

AND Tino can only play in goal for them.

[The Fish 12521]

14 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

According to CN palace are looking at Willock in Jan

[Duffman 186]

Elliott going to man city this January according to craig 

[RobinRobin 14485]

Should result in them winning the league and lego head crying about the unfairness of it all. Which is good. 

[Kid Dynamite 9298]

Benefit of hindsight and all that, but this is going to end up a generational fumble by us

[RobinRobin 14485]

He wouldn't have been given the opportunity for Man City and others to covet him if he was still on our books. 

If we'd have taken the 10 point deduction we wouldn't have been in the CL. 

Unfortunately there was no other option because of previous buys but wouldn't have been in the position to attract others without those buys. 

[Alex 42058]

Absolutely no guarantees he’s a regular starter if he goes there 

[RobinRobin 14485]

19 minutes ago, Alex said:

Absolutely no guarantees he’s a regular starter if he goes there 

And perhaps loses his England starting place as a result. Best for him to stay there and review options at the end of the season. 

[strawb 5407]

Everyone misses though. Chelsea sold De Bruyne, Salah and loads of others.

 

Still won the league and champions league