Alexander Isak

[Gemmill 63262]

11 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

I'd rather we got Samu or Ramos, and maybe Frattesi if that's a goer, with any potential Isak money than try to make some point about fairness in football that we all know doesn't exist. If we keep Isak just to spite him, and it's impossible for him to reintergrate, score a decent amount of goals, Howe's head is wrecked in every pre and post match conference, and he's stinking up the atmosphere in the squad, then half way through the season we're going to be asking ourselves was it worth it.

 

I understand the point about not showing weakness as a club, but if we have a poor season having kept him it will surely be a pyrrhic victory. Using the money from his sale wisely and being successful without him, is the best way in which we can show that he isn't bigger than the club in my opinion. Of course Liverpool still have to stump up a decent amount of money in this scenario. 

 

I know what you're saying, but there was no sign yesterday that he's affecting squad morale, in fact it's possibly brought everyone closer together. 

 

And once the window shuts and Isak can't go anywhere, if he doesn't reintegrate then the questions will stop as long as we have replacements that are scoring goals. Isak will be forgotten about until the January window, when he can either fuck off or continue to rot. 

 

We'll still get £100m+ for him next summer, and we'll have trousered double his wages in fines between now and then. 

 

I'm not worried about giving him his move making us look weak, I'm more concerned that it gives him and Liverpool exactly what they've played for. And they can both fuck right off. 

[Polarboy 2770]

17 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

I know what you're saying, but there was no sign yesterday that he's affecting squad morale, in fact it's possibly brought everyone closer together. 

 

And once the window shuts and Isak can't go anywhere, if he doesn't reintegrate then the questions will stop as long as we have replacements that are scoring goals. Isak will be forgotten about until the January window, when he can either fuck off or continue to rot. 

 

We'll still get £100m+ for him next summer, and we'll have trousered double his wages in fines between now and then. 

 

I'm not worried about giving him his move making us look weak, I'm more concerned that it gives him and Liverpool exactly what they've played for. And they can both fuck right off. 

 

I don't know, I just think too many things have to go our way in that scenario. In the short term sure it can bring people together, but that can change very quickly if we were to go through a poor run of form or whatever. And I'd never underestimate the "top six" media's capacity for absolutely rinsing the Isak situation should he stay. And just generally I think it's probably more likely we'll be more successful as a team if we have a fresh start with new players. 

Edited August 17 by Polarboy

[thebrokendoll 14278]

19 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

I know what you're saying, but there was no sign yesterday that he's affecting squad morale, in fact it's possibly brought everyone closer together. 

 

And once the window shuts and Isak can't go anywhere, if he doesn't reintegrate then the questions will stop as long as we have replacements that are scoring goals. Isak will be forgotten about until the January window, when he can either fuck off or continue to rot. 

 

We'll still get £100m+ for him next summer, and we'll have trousered double his wages in fines between now and then. 

 

I'm not worried about giving him his move making us look weak, I'm more concerned that it gives him and Liverpool exactly what they've played for. And they can both fuck right off. 

 

*brought to you by our ouzo drenched correspondent in kos*

 

[Gemmill 63262]

That one was powered by a "double Greek coffee". Powerful shit. 

[Craig 12388]

7 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Do we reckon for more fuckery from Liverpool this week? Another bid to maximise the disruption? 

I reckon they’ll come in AFTER our fame

against them. Probably Thursday / Friday that we hear from the cunts 

[Craig 12388]

4 hours ago, Polarboy said:

 

I mean that's two different arguments. Showing that we are bigger than one player, and voicing our displeasure, is a separate issue as to whether it weakens our negotiating hand in getting the highest price for Isak.

Depends on your view on what that is. He’s not worth anywhere near what he was before the Celtic game for instance. His conduct is the sole cause of that - quite possibly deliberately.

 

if his representatives ARE doing that to reduce his value to a level they believe Liverpool can afford then fuck them, we don’t sell.

 

The decision we need to make as a club is are we wanting to cash in on him. If the answer is no then it’s immaterial what he does to his own value - he’s only worth that amount if we’re willing to sell him.

 

We need him, and his agent to understand that driving his value down is less likely

to get us to agree to sell him. Currently, I believe they think the opposite 

[Craig 12388]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

I know what you're saying, but there was no sign yesterday that he's affecting squad morale, in fact it's possibly brought everyone closer together.  

Couldn't agree more with this. It’s galvanised the rest of the squad rather than negatively impacted them.

 

If he’s still here come September I expect the club to completely isolate him from everyone else. He’ll be on our registration but aside from that, fuck all to do with the club.

 

When do we have to submit our squad of 25 BTW? That’ll be the telling point - I’d laugh my tits off if he wasn’t sold and then excluded from that.

[Renton 27792]

I wouldn't. Definitely risking biting off our noses to spite our faces in that scenario. We need to do things calmly and logically, not burn bridges or be emotional. We need to be the adults here. Tbf, so far that is exactly what I'm seeing.

[Craig 12388]

2 hours ago, Polarboy said:

 

I don't know, I just think too many things have to go our way in that scenario. In the short term sure it can bring people together, but that can change very quickly if we were to go through a poor run of form or whatever. And I'd never underestimate the "top six" media's capacity for absolutely rinsing the Isak situation should he stay. And just generally I think it's probably more likely we'll be more successful as a team if we have a fresh start with new players. 

If we sell him, nothing in the wider picture changes. The media will move onto the next example of a “top six” club bullying others into flogging them their prime asset.

 

Sooner or later one club is going to break the mould on that and take the right, and necessary, stand to break this so-called cartel.

 

I’d much prefer our club were the ones to drive that than for us to look back in retrospect and say we wished we’d done it where Isak was concerned.

[Polarboy 2770]

14 minutes ago, Craig said:

If we sell him, nothing in the wider picture changes. The media will move onto the next example of a “top six” club bullying others into flogging them their prime asset.

 

Sooner or later one club is going to break the mould on that and take the right, and necessary, stand to break this so-called cartel.

 

I’d much prefer our club were the ones to drive that than for us to look back in retrospect and say we wished we’d done it where Isak was concerned.

 

Well if I'm being cynical I don't think us resisting selling is going to change anything. The financial pressures and rewards will still be the same, the media won't stop favouring the top six, and greedy agents will still be around. We might get the odd slap on the back from other clubs, and clubs fans, but our stand will be quickly forgotten. As for Isak's value, he's worth as much as a team is willing to pay. If Liverpool actually want him they'll have to pay the club what they want. I'd imagine they'll still want around the 150 even if 10 or 20m is made up of achievable add ons. 

[Craig 12388]

Isak’s value is a combination of what a team is willing to pay, but also what the other team is willing to accept. 
 

I don’t think, in light of how both Isak and Liverpool have behaved, there’s a figure NUFC will be willing to accept from them this summer. 

 

In some respects I’d love to see is Liverpool rock up on transfer deadline day with a bid of the full £150m and for us to go “nah, you’re ok thanks…” The world

is so convinced that if they offer it, we’re going to fold.

 

They needed to go about this the right way. I’m convinced if they had, we’d have been more amenable to a sale.

 

From all accounts the Saudis have massive issue with disrespect 

 

 

 

[Chaser 1919]

This might have been discussed weeks ago but do we think he played within himself in an attempt to sabotage our CL hopes so it would be easier for him to leave?  We know he didn't feature at Arsenal and the club claimed a mild groom strain although it seems now he wanted away then. 

 

 

[Craig 12388]

I doubt we’ll ever know on that one. The only people likely to know is Isak himself and possibly Eddie Howe - neither I assume will even be willing to disclose.

[Alex 42157]

1 hour ago, Chaser said:

This might have been discussed weeks ago but do we think he played within himself in an attempt to sabotage our CL hopes so it would be easier for him to leave?  We know he didn't feature at Arsenal and the club claimed a mild groom strain although it seems now he wanted away then. 

 

 

It was mentioned a while back as a rumour going around. It was pointed out he was on penalty duties too. So Howe / Isak’s teammates couldn’t have thought Isak was trying to sabotage things. I suppose a more likely scenario is a middle ground where he’s still trying to put away the chances he gets but he’s keeping himself right and not busting a gut and prioritising his own fitness. I.e. so he doesn’t spoil the potential move with an injury. I also think his being tapped up by Liverpool and them telling his agent they’ll pay the asking price is more likely than him being promised he can leave by NUFC 

Edited August 17 by Alex

[Rayvin 8367]

How much do we reckon his loyalty bonus is? If its 10m then he can put in a transfer request and then we could say we'd accept 140m from Liverpool. 

 

Him not putting that request in says everything about his motivations here and he fully deserves to be fined into oblivion over it.

[Craig 12388]

If he desperately wants the move, and this simply about giving himself the best opportunity to win trophies then he has absolutely no reason not to put in a formal request. 
 

That’s the bit the think as whale spunk bin dippers don’t get. If he’s desperate to join you to win trophies, encourage him to put in a transfer request rather than telling us we should step aside.

[thebrokendoll 14278]

2 hours ago, Craig said:

If he desperately wants the move, and this simply about giving himself the best opportunity to win trophies then he has absolutely no reason not to put in a formal request. 
 

That’s the bit the think as whale spunk bin dippers don’t get. If he’s desperate to join you to win trophies, encourage him to put in a transfer request rather than telling us we should step aside.

 

the thing that I like the most about bindippers being as thick as pig shit is that they line themselves up at the side of the street ready for somebody to come along and mow them down.

[Alex 42157]

That’s fucking bang out of order. He was a dad and a CEO 

[wykikitoon 28566]

This loyalty bonus just shows what a greedy cunt he is. If he was motivated by winning shit he would see the long game and contributing to winning shit the cash would come. Fucking skinny cunt.

[trooper 1058]

I think Isak's grovelling apology comes the day after the window slams shut & he's still registered to us.

[Craig 12388]

37 minutes ago, trooper said:

I think Isak's grovelling apology comes the day after the window slams shut & he's still registered to us.

And he can fuck off if it is because like everything else he’s done this summer, it’ll be issued entirely on the basis of self-interest.

[Andrew 7484]

5 minutes ago, Craig said:

And he can fuck off if it is because like everything else he’s done this summer, it’ll be issued entirely on the basis of self-interest.

If it gets a world class goalscorer into the team then I dont care tbh.

He's no longer a hero of a player here but I'm not above using his skills to advance us.

[trooper 1058]

If he doesn't get away, he'll be desperate to play to try & get his world cup place. That's when the club extracts its revenge & tell him to carry on training alone.  We'll let you know if your needed. As someone said the other day not only do we hold all the cards but we hold all the aces. Unless he agrees to go abroad his footballing career in the UK is finished

[GrahamTaylor5 1783]

7 hours ago, Chaser said:

This might have been discussed weeks ago but do we think he played within himself in an attempt to sabotage our CL hopes so it would be easier for him to leave?  We know he didn't feature at Arsenal and the club claimed a mild groom strain although it seems now he wanted away then. 

 

 

I can't believe this but I also cannot believe he is ok strike.

[Dr Gloom 26366]

8 hours ago, trooper said:

If he doesn't get away, he'll be desperate to play to try & get his world cup place. That's when the club extracts its revenge & tell him to carry on training alone.  We'll let you know if your needed. As someone said the other day not only do we hold all the cards but we hold all the aces. Unless he agrees to go abroad his footballing career in the UK is finished

I’m not sure about that. As much as I’d like to agree. I think there’s still a deal to be done with Liverpool if we get two strikers in and they stump up the asking price. 
 

I’d much prefer it if we sold him abroad but it doesn’t look like there are bids forthcoming from PSG or Real.

 

I’m done with the greedy cunt. Get rid and move on. The players don’t want him back and I don’t either. I don’t care how good he is. 

Edited August 18 by Dr Gloom