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[Holden McGroin 8046]

If we get Europa we’d have a good chance of winning that anyway. Win. win.

[OTF 8673]

4 hours ago, Holden McGroin said:

If we get Europa we’d have a good chance of winning that anyway. Win. win.

Except you have the additional load of games and subsequent player demands without anywhere near the amount of remuneration and winning it is not as easy as you make it sound.

 

Of the prize money in the European competitions 75% is apportioned to the Champions League, 17% to Europa and 8% to Conference League.

 

Winning the Europa League nets you a tidy sum; ballpark €13m on top of the equal share and value pillar, the latter of which is based off European coefficient/ranking (teams with little or no European football in the preceding years receive a smaller percentage of this stream compared to clubs with frequent European football). The bigger prize from winning is qualifications to the Champions League.

 

If you want to get an understanding of how much difference the 'value pillar' makes to revenue for clubs in the champions league the best comparison is us versus Man Utd from 23/24. We were both knocked out in the group stages. Our results were better in the group stage; 1W, 2D, 3L compared to their 1W, 1D, 4L so our performance based income was higher. They received €60m, we received €34m. Further ingrained monopolisation of the top financial positions of football clubs.

 

Man United's total prize money from the Europa League this season will probably end up being more than ours from the Champion's League and that's before you even consider how if they win it they'll be in the Champion's League next season.

 

Victory in the Europa League final is a HUGE get out of free jail card to (at this stage) one of Tottenham or Man Utd. As well as the bonus of winning it's effectively a minimum €60m additional revenue next season PLUS additional ticket sales, corporate revenue and sponsorship etc. If they progress beyond the group stages that base €60m could be upwards of €100m. It would be amazing if they both somehow didn't win it.

Edited 4 hours ago by OTF

[Andrew 5552]

I don't think anyones going to argue that the money side of the CL vs the europa league.

 

But Holden is right, we'd go into a europa league campaign as one of the favourites to win the competition and that would be a lot of fun.

I've said not so long since that it would be a disappointment at this stage because CL qualification is very much in our hands so late in the season.

But when we were actually in the competition next season it would be a right laugh.

 

its moot anyway because we are going to qualify for the Champions League.

[OTF 8673]

I do agree that from a games perspective Europa league would be a lot of fun, and that we should fancy ourselves as having a good shot at it. It's just that the extra load of games with a squad that we can't bolster as much with Europa vs. Champion's League stretches us even further and dampens our chances of subsequent qualification (like us last season). All said and done Europa is still highly desirable it would just be frustrating to miss out on Champion's League from here.

 

It's more than a bit miserable to think like this but sadly that's what PSR, FFP, FSR have lead us to.

[Holden McGroin 8046]

2 hours ago, Andrew said:

I don't think anyones going to argue that the money side of the CL vs the europa league.

 

But Holden is right, we'd go into a europa league campaign as one of the favourites to win the competition and that would be a lot of fun.

I've said not so long since that it would be a disappointment at this stage because CL qualification is very much in our hands so late in the season.

But when we were actually in the competition next season it would be a right laugh.

 

its moot anyway because we are going to qualify for the Champions League.

Aye. That was my thinking. The finances and squad would work itself out as we’d buy appropriately for the competition we are in. 
 

We have zero chance of winning the CL but you’re right that in terms of growth, it would be better for the club. However from a fans perspective we’d have a good shot at another trophy.

 

I’d rather be in the CL but realistically we are probably a few years off even mounting a title challenge even with CL money. I’d happily stall a year or 2 of progress to win that cup (not guaranteed of course). The feeling of winning the league cup was great as a fan.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Holden McGroin