I assume they're not going to customise the bar in our honour this time marra VS Eddie Howes constantly nackered mags at work

[Craig 12383]

2 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

On that with BDB any news on him? 

For him to go off in any match is unheard of. For him to go off in his first Tyne-Wear derby can only be down to a significant injury. 

I'll be surprised if it's not fractured ribs,

[Craig 12383]

[PaddockLad 22498]

One for the stattos out there from Craig Hope 🙌

 

"⚠️ It didn’t need much to win this derby (lowest combined XG since PL records began), but NUFC had nothing in attack"

 

 

 

[The Fish 12574]

My twopenneth. 

 

Howe set his team up not to lose. So did Le Bris. The expectation was that the threat on the break from Gordon and Elanga would make Sunderland reticent to over commit. Hopefully we'd kill the game and quieten the crowd. We'd look to make chances on the counter or from set pieces. As did they. They fouled and imposed themselves physically. Without Joelinton and losing Burn meant we didn't have that physicality on the pitch. I worry without them we're too nice. Where have Eddie Howe's shithouse mags gone? Where are the arseholes?

 

So the aim was counter-attack. Trouble is Elanga is a massive let down so far and Gordon's promise has evaporated. Also there is a fragility to our side at the minute. A lack of the confidence needed to see out games. That's been the case in every game away from home so far. Questions need to be asked of Howe (repeating the same approach regardless of the opponent or the form). 

 

Fwiw I genuinely think Elanga was bought to feed Isak and that Gordon's best form came when the defenders were stretched by Isak's threat. Now, because Woltemade is a different kind of forward player Gordon isn't getting the space he was enjoying and Elanga is playing off the striker in the way he was intended.

[YorkshireExile 90]

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Now, because Woltemade is a different kind of forward player

 

Let be honest, they bought Woltemade out of desperation, and then were forced to use him prematurely in a system he's not suited to. He's a square peg in a round hole and you can see him getting more and more frustrated and disillusioned. I worry the own goal will erase whatever confidence he has left. Wissa needs to get up to speed quickly so we can give Woltemade a break.

[ewerk 39233]

23 minutes ago, Craig said:

 

Checks out.

 

 

[Craig 12383]

8 minutes ago, The Fish said:

Fwiw I genuinely think Elanga was bought to feed Isak and that Gordon's best form came when the defenders were stretched by Isak's threat. Now, because Woltemade is a different kind of forward player Gordon isn't getting the space he was enjoying and Elanga is playing off the striker in the way he was intended.

I agree with this, although I'm fairly certain they bought Elanga in the knowledge Isak wasn't likely to be there by the end of the summer. 

Had we got Ekitike, as planned, I think we'd be seeing a completely different outlook. That's where Liverpool fucked us over IMO - not by unsettling Isak, but by ripping the rug from beneath our feet where our intended replacement was concerned.

[The Fish 12574]

2 minutes ago, YorkshireExile said:

 

Let be honest, they bought Woltemade out of desperation, and then were forced to use him prematurely in a system he's not suited to. He's a square peg in a round hole and you can see him getting more and more frustrated and disillusioned. I worry the own goal will erase whatever confidence he has left. Wissa needs to get up to speed quickly so we can give Woltemade a break.

 

I'm not sure that's the right way to describe it. From what we've read we were interested in Nick at the beginning of the window and it was only when he became available towards the end of the season that we pressed ahead with it. I'm sure the plan (Lol 'Planning') was to add more depth to our Isak-supply (Ekitike/Elanga). Then when that shitstorm made groundfall we looked to replace him. If Isak hadn't acted the cunt I don't think we sign Woltemade this window, however when it was clear to the club that he was going we went for him, Sesko, Pedro, etc. By then Elanga was already joining. And had Woltemade joined at the beginning of the window I don't think we sign Elanga.

 

Honestly to get the best out of Big Nick, I think we'd need one or two players who are closer in profile to Cole Palmer or Wirtz ( style of play not renown or valuation). Rather than Gordon or Elanga or Barnes, to be honest. 

 

[wykikitoon 28542]

According to Spaniel, Eddie Howe isn't an Elite manager because Elite managers can play 3 games a week.

Fuck all to do with Elite Manager having Elite squads.  Not on the gimps with her actually challenged her fucking mong point.

[Dazzler 16199]

50 minutes ago, Craig said:

 

“Is that a fucking hey-jab on eweh teweh bus? Uncal Fatheh, get mey lighter fluid weh ganning dewn to the premyeh inn”

 

[OTF 10613]

1 hour ago, Craig said:

For him to go off in any match is unheard of. For him to go off in his first Tyne-Wear derby can only be down to a significant injury. 

I'll be surprised if it's not fractured ribs,

He was taken to hospital in an ambulance whilst the match was still on.

[The Fish 12574]

10 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

According to Spaniel, Eddie Howe isn't an Elite manager because Elite managers can play 3 games a week.

Fuck all to do with Elite Manager having Elite squads.  Not on the gimps with her actually challenged her fucking mong point.

 

There's a junction near where I live. Dunno what it is, but the lights, the traffic, whatever. Anyway it's a nightmare and whenever I drove through it I'd get properly pissed off. 

 

You know what I do now? I avoid it. Go a different route and the drive is so much more calm. 

 

Not sure what made me think of that. 

[wykikitoon 28542]

I haven't listened to it for a while  A few weeks back I started as I was bored with the poddy's i was listening to and it wasn't bad.  Its actually better when Tory Boy is hosting it.

[thebrokendoll 14245]

48 minutes ago, The Fish said:

My twopenneth. 

 

Howe set his team up not to lose. So did Le Bris. The expectation was that the threat on the break from Gordon and Elanga would make Sunderland reticent to over commit. Hopefully we'd kill the game and quieten the crowd. We'd look to make chances on the counter or from set pieces. As did they. They fouled and imposed themselves physically. Without Joelinton and losing Burn meant we didn't have that physicality on the pitch. I worry without them we're too nice. Where have Eddie Howe's shithouse mags gone? Where are the arseholes?

 

So the aim was counter-attack. Trouble is Elanga is a massive let down so far and Gordon's promise has evaporated. Also there is a fragility to our side at the minute. A lack of the confidence needed to see out games. That's been the case in every game away from home so far. Questions need to be asked of Howe (repeating the same approach regardless of the opponent or the form). 

 

Fwiw I genuinely think Elanga was bought to feed Isak and that Gordon's best form came when the defenders were stretched by Isak's threat. Now, because Woltemade is a different kind of forward player Gordon isn't getting the space he was enjoying and Elanga is playing off the striker in the way he was intended.

 

you have to question what the fuck was going through howe's head yesterday to start with elanga in the first place to be honest.

he's been fucking woeful, he must know it and his confidence shot to bits. is an away derby game really the time and place to help him regain that?

if I was murphy id fucking livid i was sat on the bench for an hour whilst elanga was producing his horror show, not to mention him being preferred as a starter in the first place.

[thebrokendoll 14245]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

I haven't listened to it for a while  A few weeks back I started as I was bored with the poddy's i was listening to and it wasn't bad.  Its actually better when Tory Boy is hosting it.

 

 

fuck me, that's one really, really low bar.

[Holden McGroin 9903]

29 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

you have to question what the fuck was going through howe's head yesterday to start with elanga in the first place to be honest.

he's been fucking woeful, he must know it and his confidence shot to bits. is an away derby game really the time and place to help him regain that?

if I was murphy id fucking livid i was sat on the bench for an hour whilst elanga was producing his horror show, not to mention him being preferred as a starter in the first place.

I think he was trying to use Elangas pace in this game.  
 

I just don’t think he has the football IQ to play at the level we need.

[Craig 12383]

I fully understood why Elanga started the game. 

I'm starting to really question why we bought him though - to be able to profit from his USP required a change in approach to games, that we've never gone anywhere near. If we're planning to continue playing out from the back then Elanga isn't someone who should be in our plans.

[Dr Gloom 26353]

14 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

I think he was trying to use Elangas pace in this game.  
 

I just don’t think he has the football IQ to play at the level we need.

 

I thought it was the type of game that would suit Elanga. I was wrong. he needs space to run into to be effective and the unwashed didn't give him any after they scored. Agree about his football IQ. He seems quite limited technically when he has to run at defender with the ball at his feet. 

 

 

[Craig 12383]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

I thought it was the type of game that would suit Elanga. I was wrong. he needs space to run into to be effective and the unwashed didn't give him any after they scored. Agree about his football IQ. He seems quite limited technically when he has to run at defender with the ball at his feet. 

 

 

tbf to him he's never demonstrated anything but that - hence my curiosity as to why we signed him if we weren't planning to exploit it. 

[Rayvin 8362]

It's starting to feel like a lot of our business over the summer might have been panic buys. Thiaw is the exception but then we'd been chasing him for a good couple of years so had done our homework there. The others though - Elanga was the first signing during a window when it felt that pressure was mounting around our inability to bring anyone in, Ramsdale wasn't the plan, Woltemade wasn't the plan, Ramsey was opportunism, Wissa maybe would have been on the radar either way. It's still obviously better to have all of them than not, but I very much doubt this team looks much at all like what Howe had specified he wanted prior to the summer window opening.

[Craig 12383]

I think Ramsey will come good. He's definitely potential 

[Rosco 1133]

Hopefully Wissa will full game time Fulham and or Chelsea and should a lot more mobile than Nick especially in and around goal

[Renton 27784]

27 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

It's starting to feel like a lot of our business over the summer might have been panic buys. Thiaw is the exception but then we'd been chasing him for a good couple of years so had done our homework there. The others though - Elanga was the first signing during a window when it felt that pressure was mounting around our inability to bring anyone in, Ramsdale wasn't the plan, Woltemade wasn't the plan, Ramsey was opportunism, Wissa maybe would have been on the radar either way. It's still obviously better to have all of them than not, but I very much doubt this team looks much at all like what Howe had specified he wanted prior to the summer window opening.

 

Ekitike was the plan. We all are feeling this has been a shit half season, yet we are still 4 points of fifth. If we'd signed this lad, I honestly think everything would be different now. We'd won some of those narrow games, beaten Liverpool, and if they just had Isak, they'd have been even more fucked too. Oh well.

[YorkshireExile 90]

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We'd won some of those narrow games, beaten Liverpool, and if they just had Isak, they'd have been even more fucked too. Oh well.

 

Mebbe we should just ask Isak to come back? Cheeky offer in January for around 60M? 😳

[Renton 27784]

Just now, YorkshireExile said:

 

Mebbe we should just ask Isak to come back? Cheeky offer in January for around 60M? 😳

 

Yen?