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On a slightly different topic; they say say you get more right wing as you get older so I wonder if I'll be right-wing in 20 years? Grumbling on about Foreigners stealing our jobs and benefit fraud etc etc My mother has already shifted that way albeit since my Dad died she has slowly lost her way.

Trafford sounds some way off.

What's the geographic distribution, I'd get extremely vexxed if you lump me in with codger cunts from Hertfordshire. Additionally what's the population number for each age band ? I'm guessing there's more folks under 60 voted for the tories than the over 60's. All that said, the people who should be getting pelters are those don't vote.

That's more palatable. Have the knockout teams play their regional rivals, so you have less distance to travel and more of a local rivalry. Then you end up with the 'best' team from North America, South America, Asia, Europe, Africa, Oceania. You could feasibly split Europe and South America into regions so they may have more than one team reach the finals with 8 teams. And fuck this over 4 years qualification crap, just have it so that only the season prior to the tournament impacts qualification so you get the best teams at that point in time only.

That was Thatcher - carried out in tandem with Reagan. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning.

Oh come on. Really? All those things happened in the 80s. The tellys, kitchen gadgets, foreign holidays, Bigg market clobber etc. Okay, not phones as they weren't invented, but id say people keep their phones much longer than they did in the early days. But we're all guilty of it anyway, it's just wrong to pin consumerism with the young who were bought up by the previous generation anyway. You're being too defensive. Its not all older people. But there is a sizable demographic that not only have massively benefitted from when they were born, particularly in regards to education, housing, and pensions, but actively sneer at the young in precisely the way Fish has described.

Ok well let's say you're right. You're not, and I'm absolutely blown away that you lived through the 80s and don't think that that was a decade of rampant disposable consumerism. But let's say you're right and it started in the 90s. Who is benefitting from that rampant, disposable consumerism? By which I mean who is profiting. Who is the driving force behind designed obsolescence? Who is making money from turning everyone into consumers and convincing them that they need the next thing now. It's not the youth of today or even the youth of the 90s. It's fucking boomers. They're the ones getting rich off it and they are (largely) the ones who have resisted every call to say "lads we're completely fucking the planet here, can we maybe think about not doing this".

Source? Because I reckon (as a boomer) that's utter bollocks. We never had new trainers every 5 minutes, disposable cheap fashion shite, new phone every year, didn't even have a fucking phone. Designed obsolescence wasn't a thing until I'd heard of until the 90's.

When I'm 75 I'll just be asking a younger person who they would want me to vote for and go with that.

This is 2019 data but you get the gist.

Is he on the bike?

Implies the vast majority, "in general" usually means predominantly. When blaming "the old" it is far too wide a label, maybe look at where "the old" have demonstrably voted consistently for stuff that's fucked up stuff. The "Southern Old" would be acceptable.

Disposable consumerism has been rampant since the 80s. It was basically invented by boomers.

That's correct but Cameron was driven by the fear of losing 15 or 20 seats to ukip and that danger came from their polling based in those seats which was based on older voters (in general).

Brexit was on the back of a massed misinformation campaign aimed at thick (predominantly English) cunts who've never read a book. Before Cameron fucked up with his appease the ERG referendum, no-one young or old gave a fuck about "sovereignty" and the EU. Who created that noise? The planet is fucked, who did that ?, disposable consumerism is rampant, who did that (certainly not the old) ?? It wasn't at the behest of "the old".

Bit late now, should have got in there whilst is was still Facemash

One thing I've been reflecting on lately with respect of this argument over immigration, especially if it's coming up with family members - you don't need to 'win' that one because Labour have gone all in on it anyway. They've already halved incoming numbers and they're planning to get it down to about 200k, which would be a staggering achievement on that metric. Under the Tories we were at 900k net a year, it's now 400k. It's not going to improve anything, but it's one less thing we can blame - eventually maybe we'll be able to actually address a lot of this. I saw a good article the other day from 3 years ago, basically saying that sorting the housing crisis would alleviate so much of the pain atm: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/jan/17/the-big-idea-could-fixing-housing-fix-everything-else-too?CMP=share_btn_url

Yes Dave, you get spotters badge this lunchtime time

Well you'd think so... but am in the heart of the godly King Alfred's Saxon Wessex here, not THE LAND OF THE HEATHEN DANES!!!! 😡

Is that Shaftesbury?