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I used to get the odd IRA, Irish, Gerry Adams cunt comment as a teen if I ever wore a N Ireland top or said where some of my family were from or where I'd been if talking about holidays, some of it was in jest but not all but then I could've walked around 80s and 90s Newcastle wearing a sash and banging a large drum on my chest then picking up a flute and still would've got those comments whereas these days people are a bit more enlightened and it would now be proddy cunt instead.

I wonder if that's because October 7th was more seen as an actual of terror whereas Israel's attack on Gaza is state led? I don't recall many US flags after 9/11 either, for instance. But everybody I know and the media were both horrified by both events. I'd say the media has been more than supportive of Israel since and not condemnatory anywhere near enough of the horrors their government is committing. When I see a Palestinian flags I think it just means a different thing to me than you. I don't see it as an act of hatred against the Jewish people, I see it as a sign of solidarity for the Palestinian people. I am aware there are also unsavoury messages especially at marches but you can't ascribe that to all people who are horrified by this war. Oh, and Toomy Robinson doesn't have your back, he is just slightly more islamophobic than he is antisemitic. I am sure you know this.

It’s natural to see a lot more support for the oppressed than the oppressors.

I think we may have just witnessed a whoosh?

it’s utterly depressing that the only people that seem to have our back at the moment are the likes of Tommy Robinson and his supporters - that David Mitchell “are we the baddies?” meme springs to mind. And by “we”, I mean Jews, not Israel. I’m not trying to be deliberately provocative here but in the days following October 7, there was a striking absence of solidarity shown on the streets of London. And the pro Palestine marches and protests were in full swing long before Israel launched its retaliatory strikes. Again, possibly my Jewish paranoia but it’s hard not to notice these things.

It’s the absolute lack of detail which makes their stories just that little bit more unbelievable

Yeah, if they're taking the bother to unmask every anonymous account on an obscure football board then I think it's the airport queues that will put me off more than anything. Not that I have any intention of travelling to the US unless I absolutely can't avoid it.

I suspect it wouldn't be too difficult to trace it all. They've got an AI doing it apparently - but yeah maybe you're right. Not sure it's worth the risk though. I keep thinking that some of my clients are US based and if I end up in a position where im banned from going out to them its a really awkward conversation to have.

Unless the name on your passport is Rayvin then I think you’re safe enough. I don’t have a single social media account under my own name so good luck with them banning me.

If you want to feel some love and support for the Israeli people then take a trip over to NI and I’ll take you round some loyalist areas where you’ll see plenty of Israeli flags flying. And obviously it’s because of a deep rooted love for the country of Israel and not just because nationalists support the Palestinians.

I’m surprised. I noticed a couple of pro Palestine demos around the monument the last two times I was home for the match. Perhaps it’s a reflection of demographics in the two cities. Though I don’t work in a big Muslim part of town. It’s mostly white middle class avocado and falafel munchers in my corner of south east london.

I still think we should be careful talking about this at all atm. The US is genuinely banning people from entry for the smallest things now and a lot of those things involve criticising Israel. Who knows when that might affect you over the next 4 years. And thats before we get into the nonsense of the UK government trumping up terrorism charges for acts of sabotage. Supporting that group will soon be condoning terrorism, which will also be illegal. I dont think we are free to talk about this to the degree we should be.

Totally agree. We appear to be fucking up a other transfer window.

Interesting mind, I'd say around where I live there were a lot more Ukrainian flags displaying solidarity for the country than Palestinian flags. Admittedly these have decreased markedly due to war fatigue. When I see either I never think about it from the angle of hating Russia or Israel or it people. I believe usually its to express a genuine sentiment for the wars to stop. Edit: posted just after HMHM's post. I think he's spot on.

All I'll say on the matter is that there was people wondering why the west didn't show as much solidarity with the Palestinians as they did with Ukraine? In the early days there were more Ukrainian flags on view, because of weariness or helplessness there now isn't as many on view but I saw more Ukrainian flags than I have Palestinian flags. (This is in real life in Newcastle, I didn't see any Palestinian flags at all). I understand that London is not Newcastle and on-line you're now seeing what looks like a mass recreation of the camp commandant in Schindler's list just taking potshots of people trying to survive which is the sickest irony going. I just wish every cunt participating would stop and the people responsible for this misery around the world could just slither back under their rocks or take one for team evil and just croak it whatever their colours are. Murder is murder and there's just too much of it going on across the globe lead by cunts who should be in the Hague. I genuinely couldn't give a fuck what religion a murderer is, I'm sure the lawyers at Nuremberg didn't either? I'd also say if the cap fits, wear it, if it doesn't, don't. I don't think for one second every Russian, Israeli, Palestinian, American are murderers or wrong'uns just like every Irishman wasn't during the troubles but I do understand the slight paranoia.

It is the band.

It’s probably similar, actually. I got chatting to a young Russian kid at a dnb night a few months back. Really nice lad who moved to London because of his love of the music. I got chatting to him in the smoking area about background etc and he reluctantly revealed he was Russian. Prior to that he asked me to guess where he was from, I guessed Eastern Europe before he explained that sometimes people are put off because of his background, which I found really sad. As if he’s in anyway responsible for what is happening back home. I suppose I feel the same when people chant “death to the IDF”. There are plenty of innocent kids in the IDF, who would rather not be following orders

it is. however... nobody loves a bit of richard masters bashing more than me, I despise the cunt but fail to see how he or his organisation is currently responsible for our inability to sign any fucker at all, not even a goalkeeper we by all accounts had in the bag up to a year ago, without quibbling over a few quid. very reminiscent of summer '24 but with less money involved. it's fucking pitiful.

Please don’t stop. Without wishing to put words in people’s mouths, I’d hope everyone on here would be similar to me and would feel terrible about it if you no longer felt able to or wanted to express your views about this on here. I tend to keep out of this but not because of a lack of interest or caring, more a sense hopelessness about the whole situation. On the point of Ukraine as opposed to Palestine then I suppose the main difference in perception is Ukraine being able to defend itself and countries like ours helping them to do so. With Palestine then at best we’re doing nothing and at worst we’re fully complicit (or somewhere in between). It’s highly unlikely any UK PM would or could’ve felt they could act differently but it’s still a marked difference in the stance towards the two conflicts. On the other side I think it must be incredibly difficult to be (for want of a better term) ‘openly Jewish’ and express yourself without fear of being attacked. Either literally or in a figurative sense online and so on. I can’t really imagine what that is like. It’s probably always been a bit like that but it must be so much worse now. I doubt it’s as bad for people with Russian heritage living in the UK even. Although I’m sure that can’t be easy at times either.

Do they even still make that drink.

It isn’t whataboutery. I’m not criticising anyone for supporting Palestine. I am moved by the solidarity and support to the cause. This is a genuine observation. Clearly there is equivalence between Ukraine and Gaza. But where I live in London there are scores of houses with Palestine flags or “Free Palestine” posters in their front windows, and have been since even the early days following October 7. I’ve never seen a single Ukrainian flag displayed in a similar way. We also know about the regular marches down here, which continue deep into the conflict. Again, you don’t see this show of support for Ukraine. Maybe it’s as Rayvin says and people are just more inclined to show support because the UK is allied to Israel and Russia is our enemy. Or maybe it’s because people really fucking hate Israel. My personal view is Netanyahu and Putin are cut from the same cloth You’ll have to forgive my Jewish paranoia but I’ll put it this way: this forum, where I’m protected by anonymity, is where I choose to air these views now. I’ve stopped trying to engage in these conversations with friends anymore. No body wants to hear this side of the story. Perhaps i’ll stop here too.

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Hope it gets sorted PL, sounds fucking awfull. On the bright side, it did remind me of Joanne Whalley in her prime.

Waddup nerds. You might enjoy this book series. https://amzn.eu/d/90Tmcn0 It's about a bloke who finds himself in a televised dungeon crawler game. Completely daft, pretty funny, dead easy read.