Rayvin

For me, the deficit was lower than it was during the previous Tory government up until the 2008 crisis. They were behaving responsibly, they were spending in line with what they could afford, but it's become an impossible position to argue sadly. Miliband has stated that the banks should have been better regulated, but I'm personally not convinced that the Tories would have been doing anything differently. Labour were very unfortunate to be holding the torch when the crisis hit, the Tories would have been obliterated for generations without it.

I suspect this: Ed Miliband says we are not going to do a deal or have a coalition with the SNP or give into the SNP’s demands on Trident or the deficit. But he did not rule out a vote by vote arrangement which could see the SNP keeping a minority Labour government on the road. Trident could get through on the votes of Tory MPs as could deeper cuts than the SNP want in a Labour budget.

That was a good moment for Ed, on there SNP there.

Ah I'm sorry, you're one of these deluded people who thinks that a global economic collapse led by the US is something that can be legislated for? I'm curious as to how the Tories would have handled it, I really am. I notice they've not said much on that front. Ever.

Fair enough - it's Radar now though apparently, not CT.

...r-really? You think that was a compelling political performance?

That is actually quite crass, but I expect all politicians would do stuff like that sadly.

"I don't want to harp on about what I inherited" As if David.

Glad someone called him on the debate.

... Fucking Hell

I got 7 as well...

I approve.

It's definitely, mostly tongue in cheek - although an amount of it is an attempt at penance as a result of being raised with Catholic guilt.

Fair enough, it's a bit clearer now - and thanks.

I know, my repeated attempts to endear myself are apparently falling on deaf ears... I've referred to Man Utd as Manchester, Manure, That Manchester team that isn't City, etc...

I meant at the fan forum meetings. As in, have they selected a group of people who are not going to ask these questions, or is there a history of them just being ignored whenever they do come up. I've not read a lot of the background in the fan forum meetings, I get enough of this sort of corporate bollocks at work.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually ever asked the club any meaningful questions? Or is the issue the fact that the club have always refused to answer them, and that therefore the level of shitness of the questioning is set accordingly?

The only thing you're really overlooking is that our form is the worst in the league bar nobody. We actually probably deserve to go down. Sunderland have done this last minute escape shit before, they have a team that knows how to do it. Not saying they will, but I didn't expect them to get a point against Stoke the other day and it happened anyway. As for freaking out, I'm not personally. I'm very much of the opinion that until we see some kind of demonstration of actual progress from the club that it's not even really worth worrying if they go down. It's not like it'll thwart next season's push for the Champions League. I think all some people are saying is that it's looking a lot closer now than it did a few weeks ago. And John Carver may just be hopeless enough to see it done.

"Given that the club has alleged that the recent Channel 4 documentary painted an inaccurate picture of the club's plans and goals, and has complained that this was unhelpful to its relationship with the fanbase, why has the club not taken steps to form more open and honest dialogue with fans over the way that things are run? We aren't expecting you to listen to every query, but it seems a little counterproductive to complain about people misrepresenting your aims and goals if you aren't actually communicating any of these things. Why does the club not tell us more about why things are being run the way they are, and how these decisions will help us progress?"

Forced to choose between the two I'd say we're fine. I'm not satisfied with that answer though Surely Fish would concede that the relative chances of us being relegated have increased?

Sunderland are starting to look like our best hope.

Yeah the cynic in me thinks they're gonna come out of there all starry eyed and trying to win us all over to what Carver is 'trying to do'. I wonder if anyone on here would be any different. I reckon it might be interesting to send Stevie in there

Sorry, the 'wonderkid' is their chairman. The guy who replaced Whelan, his grandson or something.

Wigan relegated to League One... I'm sure their 23yr old wonderkid who dropped out of Uni and lost £1.3m of Whelan's money on a failed bid to run a chipshop (how!?) will find a way to turn things around though...

your ability to find ways of working stuff like that into conversations is remarkable.