Renton

We'll be in a better position to judge Roeder after the next 3 games tbh. It's natural to get a bit carried away, but we should remember he's only been in charge 6 games, the traditional honeymoon period. Massively impressed with him in this time period however.

Some people apparently didn't know it for a long time.....

World exclusive: Renton in agreement with Gemmill shocker.

I'll never forgive agent McCarthy for fucking up so badly last year.

I thinky you're pretty safe tbh. They really are shite, and unlike us, that's down to their players as much as their manager.

Have you got a decent source for that? The only place I've heard it said is on message boards, mainly mackem ones. It doesn't make sense to me why he'd support them, even as a kid. They've never been a glamour club and he's from Norn Iron, so where's the connection? Did he play for them even? As for the alleged tattoo - does he look like they type who'd have a tattoo? Personally, I think this is another monumental balls uo by Murray, proving we have the bestest chairman ever. OK, so his performance this year was nothing short of a joke, but he has proven he is a decent championship manager, which is exactly what they need now. In reality, who's going to want that job now?

That deserves the biggest Jesus wept in history tbh.

Bingo, cracked Rob's occupation. Exfootballer turned alcoholic radio show host.

Got me.

Im sure its different everywhere but at our place its usually a doctor and nurse together. And Renton im aggressive in that i speak my mind and will tell someone if I think they are being unreasonable. But i can keep my fists to myself.....unlike some people 102583[/snapback] Fair enough J69, also I am aware that people often post differently to how they act in real life, myself included. I'm sure your professional which is the most important thing. I'd still consider changing jobs mind, it's a girls/puff's profession.

I can't help thinking if J69 was delivering bad news to an alcoholic/smoker/drug user/fat person etc it would be followed by a "serves you right". He'd better watch his temper in the teaching profession too.

Thats whats wrong with this place, too many conclusions from 2 lines of writing. Id like to know what profession you are in Renton, id love you to come and try my job for a day. You ever told a mother her 3year old daughter has died? Thought not so do me a favour and keep your conclusions to yourself dickhead. And you must have zero experience of working in A and E if you think they are a bunch of sympathetic do gooders. we are there to patch them up and send them on their way, not nurse them on 'the long road back to good health' 102553[/snapback] I'm just making a judgement on you on what you've posted. One thing I am fairly sure about based on this is that you are a very judgemental and unsympathetic person, as well as being quite agressive as is seen in this particular post. Of course, you may be completely different in real life, you may also think these qualities are not important for nurses, that's your perogative. Though I think I can tell by your agressive reaction you know deep down I'm right. Funny you should ask what I do, I am also in the medical profession. I have worked in A&E as a medical student, and witnessed people getting bad news (which was always delivered by doctors, but never mind). I couldn't cope with it, so I detached myself into research and now write guidelines for medics. I was honest with myself, and am in a job I'm happy with now, although it took a lot of effort and time. So I think I know what I'm talking about, yes.

It's not me, let's make that clear.

Having read J69's post for a while I have come to the conclusion that he must be a shit nurse. My advice is get out of the profession while you can, it'll all end in tears if you're not a genuinely sympathetic person, which you clearly aren't.

I have it on pretty good authority Daglish didn't rate Ferdinand, there were others players he could have sold first, if he wished. EDIT: Incidentally, I hope you aren't insinuating the chairman sells players at NUFC 102498[/snapback] Maybe not. But he had to recuperate money and Ferdinand was the prize asset. Shear bad luck that our other star striker was seriously injured preseason (pun intended), leaving a kid by himself. 102510[/snapback] Did Souness suffer from the same bas luck then? 102518[/snapback] Actually I think he did have bad luck. Losing Shearer was a huge blow, and not one that could have been predicted (as Shearer was not as injury prone as Owen, for instance). We will never know how he would have played with JDT, who went on to be a successful player in Serie A. I don't recall Dalglish making a song and dance about it though like Souness. Btw, I'm not trying to defend his reign at SJP overall, which was poor, no excuses. But I think the problem with Shepherd has been he never knows when to change managers. Dalglish was a sound choice, who should have been either backed fully for another season in 1998 or replaced. I had the foresight to know Gullit and Souness would be dismal failures, so should have Shepherd. Robson for once was the right bloke at the right time, but that was more luck than design, and if you read Bobby's autobiography, Shepherd and Hall almost cocked that up to.

I have it on pretty good authority Daglish didn't rate Ferdinand, there were others players he could have sold first, if he wished. EDIT: Incidentally, I hope you aren't insinuating the chairman sells players at NUFC 102498[/snapback] Maybe not. But he had to recuperate money and Ferdinand was the prize asset. Shear bad luck that our other star striker was seriously injured preseason (pun intended), leaving a kid by himself.

Lies! Although he did look quite "cool" Also don't forget Bowie made the classic "Hello Newcastle" remark at Roker park. Deserves some kudos for that. 102486[/snapback] But he was a total cunt to John Peel. 102497[/snapback] Was he? I didn't know that. I'm not supporting anyone who was a cunt to old Peely.

The point about his record of managerial appoints chocchip, and I'm answering you as at least you answer questions with common sense and factual info rather than just ducking them, is as I have said all along which is that no-one, absolutely no one, could have forseen a manager, ie Dalglish we are talking about, who had won 4 league titles and 3 FA Cups and 3 manager of the years as being anything other than a top quality, high level appointment of the highest standing. So, what else do you expect Fred / the board, to do ? Reasonable question yes ? I'm sorry but just to say with hindsight that he "turned out to be crap" simply isn't good enough. This is why I ask what alternative criteria people would use, and they simply do not answer. Likewise Gullit. Craig has said that Gullit built the Chelsea team that won the FA Cup and went on to win more trophies under a different manager, which is correct. So again, what is wrong with the board of NUFC appointing a manager who did that ? Are these 2 appointments not more qualified than some of the current contenders ie O'Neill, Allardyce ? And Dalglish to be on a par with Hitzfeld ? Is this not correct ? The people on this forum are all backing these people on what basis - the same basis that was used to appoint Dalglish and Gullit, yet for some strange reason all they say is the club doesn't attract top managers ? What were Dalglish and Gullit if they were not top managers ? Likewise I consider it fully justified in asking about other chairman of the big city clubs, and our ex chairmen at the club. Because in context, both of these comparisons show how well the current board are doing. And that is very well, not the best, and we won't be either unfortunately as Chelsea while the Russian is there and Manu are always going to have the biggest financial clout and it will take something extremely special to knock them both off their perch. One maybe but not both. Wenger has done it with Arsenal, beating only one of them, however if he stays at the club for longer and they find a way to combat the financial restraints imposed by a new stadium [facts which we at NUFC have already incorporated yet when mentioned by myself are instantly dismissed as "not being part of a long term plan"....what exactly is it if it isn't a company with a forward looking board showing ambitious planning ?] will find it much more difficult. Likewise I ask who the man is who will take over from Shepherd and guaranteed to be better, again - no answer. Simply because there isn't one. The vast majority of big city clubs are behind us competition wise. Apart from Liverpool and Arsenal on the field, in the last decade. I think that will change in Arsenals case if they lose Wenger. Thats quite a few clubs who are not matching us, our turnover and on the field, why not? If they have done it in the past why are the not doing it now ? It is true to say that Shepherd took over a good club from SJH but it's also true that Shepherd has kept it going...I have stated this but again no reply other than a "so what"...as if it is easy....if it was so easy how come big city clubs in the past who were much much bigger than us have lost their way ie Man City, Spurs, Villa, Leeds to name 4.....staying near the top of the league isn't a divine right you will only stay there if you strive to stay ahead of the rest. Likewise, what was stopping our directors before the Halls and Shepherd getting 50,000 gates and buying England players ? What was to stop them from building on our rather unexpected Fairs Cup win in 1969 ? Nothing, but they didn't, why do you think they didn't ? Now, if people are going to reply to this post with one word answers or usual dumb moronic comments like Fred is shit, or untrue ones such as we don't or can't appoint top managers, consider it not to receive a reply, however someone like yourself who will I suspect answer the whole post in general and in context with intelligent points where you may disagree, then I will. 102296[/snapback] LM, i'll try to respond. I was a bit young at the time so i feel stupid stating my feelings about the Dalgliesh appoinment however, with his record it would seem to the ordinary Joe Bloggs that he had the credentials to take over and push us forward. I do think someone should have asked him at the interview what his plans were though, because if he'd have said ' I plann to sell Ginola, Ferdinand, Asprilla, etc. and replace them with Stephen Glass, Pamela Anderson, Des Hamilton and Carl Serrant, i think he wouldn't have been appointed. I've said it before, i think one of the most important aspects of a new manager is that he wants the players he inherits (especially if they are very expensive and have come VERY close to succeding already). Dalgleish was clearly not at all happy with the squad and replaced them with a load of clangers. IMO, Solano was a very good buy and Given was the most important player this club has signed in the last 10 years, much more important than Shearer, i thought Speed was a goo buy too. However Souness also made decent purchases. Gullit had only ever managed 1 club i think and he was sacked form that one, why do YOU think he was a good appoinment? SBR, i think we all agree was good. GS, same effect as Dalgleish but without the pedigree - result was the same though. How many failures, and 3 out of 4 have been does it take for people to think that FS isn't capable of employing the right man? Isn't he meant to know the football world inside out? Why would we know any better? Financially, as i stated, i can't fault him much unless he's f**ked us by allowing GS to spend £50m. I'd like to ask, you say under FS we haven't gone into a decline like those other big clubs, are you sure? Where did we finish last season? Where are we now? Will we finish top 4? What makes you think we are doing so well? 102494[/snapback] I think you'll find that a lot of transfers in the Dalglish era were forced upon him - certainly the sale of Ferdinand was. And as for Given being a more important signing than Shearer, give me a break. Given is a good keeper but in Shearer we bought the most highly rated striker in the world. It really put Newcastle on the map and that's before you count his 201 goals so far. I think LM will rightly say that it is ridiculous for Shepherd to have the sort of foresight you are suggesting btw.

6 posts left until the millenium. Shame to stop now.

Lies! Although he did look quite "cool" Also don't forget Bowie made the classic "Hello Newcastle" remark at Roker park. Deserves some kudos for that.

I work far too hard and earn too little money to be spending it on the music of artists that I have no intention of ever listening to! 102480[/snapback] Who said anything about spending money? I have no quibbles about ripping off artists I don't like, especially if I'm never going to listen to them. I only buy music I really like, which I think is fair. Try before you buy.

There's no swear filter on this board, you mother fucker.

Your opinion. Like I said - each to their own. Even if he did influence some of the bands I like, it doesn't mean I have to automatically like him. Cos I don't 102475[/snapback] Fair enough. I don't like much he's done post 70s tbf, but he's an essential artist to have in anyone's collection - even if you don't like him. Can't get Life on Mars out my head now. Superglamtastic.

Conversely, he has never done anything that I find remotely memorable or influential. I don't think I own a single song that he has written/performed with the exception of Under Pressure. In my world of music he just doesn't and never has existed. Each to their own eh? 102469[/snapback] Not sure what music you like, but I bet if you read the biographies of some of the bands you're into you'll find they cite him as an influence. He was a musical genius tbh.

Thankfully not. 102280[/snapback] Surely you jest, Bowie is the king. 102417[/snapback] Bowie was an interesting artist in the early 70s. Still living off that hype I reckon. 102457[/snapback] To me he is much more than that. He is a very significant influence on a whole host of musicians and bands of music I like. In the main, I like his music for its own sake too. For instance Life on Mars is a classic.