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Them crazy yanks and their guns eh??

You can't stigmatize the majority, minority aye, piece of piss, see smokers as an example.

If Sports Direct was in the US it would sell guns, hunting is HUGE in the USA, they think of it as nothing different to an aisle of fishing rods.

They can't, that's a huge and erroneous simplification. In nearly all states (Connecticut being one of the strictest) you have to pass police and federal checks to buy a gun, you cannot just walk into somewhere and walk out with a gun like it was a packet of sweets, not sure about ammo purchase but in most places guns aren't a walk in walk out sort of thing (in Texas you can if you have State resident ID).

Funny isn't it, you can get jailed/villified for calling someone a nasty name, yet the everyday clinical killing of a baby, for cosmetic reasons by and large (as in "I don't want it/ it was a mistake") is just "run of the mill" acceptable.

I'm not. I'm not saying nothing should be done, but I do think it's impossible. The will just is not there in the electorate even after something like this, on all the NFL boards I frequent there's plenty of "condolence" threads/posts but not one mention of the "g" word. Guns are so embedded in society and always have been, the psyche of Mr/Mrs average American is that they have guns and wouldn't dream of shooting anyone, and that they and their guns are not the problem. Anyone buying a gun in Wallmart gets checked (and in most gun stores) it's the private sales and gun shows where stuff gets under the radar. But the majority of these "sprees" are undertaken with legal guns from "upstanding" checked out owners. All they can do is manage down the problem and they are doing that given the gun crime figures. It's not like the enactment of the gun controls here post Hungerford/Dunblane where gun ownership even then was a very minority thing, it's easy via legislation to subjugate and police a minority but how easy is it if you are doing something the majority doesn't want. Even with our zero tolerance to guns we still have occassional shooting sprees here, there was one just off the end of my street years ago.

It's that time of year again. Christmas Curry night in the same old curry house, started 35--ish years ago with "the lads" last Saturday (or 2nd last) before christmas, mass curry house invasion, then the girlfriends started to attend, then they became wives and kept attending, then the kids started to come, then the kids and their girfirend/boyfriends stared to attend, now some are wives/husbands and they organise it now. Nice little tradition I guess. God help the curry house, some of us have never grown up That said they tend to give us the back of the room for our annual naan bread aerodynamics testing. They're used to us now.

They are doing something, deaths from firearms are reducing in the USA they are way down from 20 years ago that fact gets lost when a nutter goes off.

But they're the big killers. As I mentioned earlier the teacher would likely have passed the tests.

Roy Jenkins has a lot to answer for, since when has abortion improved lives, (except in maybe rape/severe disability of the child cases) similarly the death penalty (yes I am firmly in the pro camp). Look what happens when a copper here shoots an armed piece of shit, riots. Try taking the guns back over there by force it'd be armageddon. Even with the firearms ploriferation gun crime in the states is falling year on year. The guns used in this spree (the one's used against those poor kids) were legally owned by a schoolteacher, she'd have passed any tests you'd likely want to institute, it probably wouldn't have stopped this. Why she wanted firearms is another matter of course. But even with strickter rules I doubt this could have been avoided.

It's WAY too late

I am not pro gun per se (in the America context) but I can't fathom how you can revert it. I do object to the fact that I am not allowed to own one though (and yes I'd happily go through all the checks anyone could want). Then again I also object that I can't protect my home from a burglar (for example) with the force I see fit at the time (if the need arose) even without a firearm. The perpetrator didn't just "walk into a gun store". Given America's short (and bloody) history, and associated gun culture, how do you reel it in, I can't see a way If you are of a deranged-mind to go "on a spree" you will find the means. Most of these mass murder "nutters" aren't from the dregs of society they plan and they act.

But how do you take them away?? it's not like they've just been introduced they've always been there, it's a VERY young nation and guns have by necessity (in the early years of the country) always been there, their very constitution empowers the right to bear arms, (to protect the people from the government, is the reason) it's been there from the start. Their country was built by the gun and very recently in historical terms, our was build by the sword but that was a long long time ago. The american equivalent of my great grandfather was killing his fellow countrymen in a civil war.

Can't understand assault weapons being privately owned personally, but they are great fun to fire Seriously, how can you reel it back in, I mean really seriously. There was a worse massacre in Norway, Shipman killed more people with a syringe. McVeigh made a bomb and killed 168. The nutters will find a way. I doubt the availability of firearms was the catalyst that made someone deranged enough to kill bairns en masse.

The only luck we seem to get is bad, looked pretty good for spells I thought. 3-1 no reflection of the game at all.

He wasn't very good but Santon who cost us two goals gets no howls of derision, strange.

No you can't, it is a completely different culture, not to mention it's a continent not a country. As recently as 150 years ago they fought a war internally that killed something like 600,000 people. The national psyche is WAY different.

Link ?? I would guess the lower gun crime States are actually those with better education and less poverty If they changed the law, who's going to give the guns back, the "law abiding" nice people is who, the nutters and scum won't. Also can you apply the law to everyone on the continent ?? the pic below is a one, one of my mates took, at the bottom of his "yard". Mummy bear and cubs turned up later when the male had fucked off. He lives WAY out in the sticks around a small town where the only major employer for decades has been a timber yard. Wolves have also been reintroduced/returned, his neighbours dog was taken a couple of years ago from the garden (yard), those folks won't want to give up their guns and given the environment and why should they. You just cannot equate the UK with the USA

The genie is out of the bottle man, legislation won't help Gun related deaths have been falling year on year in the US, the dramatic picture above is an old one. 2011 US 8,757 gun deaths (of which 6,009 were handguns) http://www.guardian....-crime-us-state 17,000 murders in South Africa in 2010 btw

They've just anounced a £97.something Million loss for last year, obscene, how can you even try and compete with that !!!!

Anyone with Nelson in them death thingy's could squeeze in any day now

So why??? Scott Parker sat in. BA lounge at Newcastle airport in Spurs tracksuit right now, strange!!!!

Great "gotcha" story from inside "the business" They were setting up Carol Smiley for a gotcha, she was being filmed and checking into a hotel (part of the set up), got in her room and almost immediately started doing herself with her battery operated friend, Gotcha abruptly canned. Alledgedly of course.

He never took a big hand in any of the pranks anyway.

RIP 89 mind, so canny knock.