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lol aye just ignore the games where we should've got fuck all sure honestly what an utterly stupid post You are a bit special arent you? We are talkin about how it could of been better. Fuck sake. Idiot. Irish. Wow, that's like the special pot calling the non-special kettle "a special pot." If you're going to call someone special and an idiot try not to make the same grammatical error 12 times in your previous post. Before you moan about it being a football board and not an english exam, maybe you shouldn't insult other people first. You do realise that whilst we were 'only' 16 points off europe, we were a massive 7 points clear of relegation. Rather than needing 5 or 6 more bits of luck to get into europe, only 3 bits of bad luck could HAVE seen us down. And I can easily think of 3 games where we escaped with undeserved points. Just so this isn't another post of me (and my different perspective) only slagging you (and your different perspective) off, how can we address the problem of the "inability to hold onto a lead, concentrate and see games out." If its cost us that many points this season, I'm worried its not going to be easily solved just by having a better strikeforce or new squad players. Maybe we need better, fitter defenders and midfielders. Maybe we need a new approach to player fitness. Maybe a new tactical approach to closing out games. Maybe we need a concentration-increasing machine. None of these have an easy, obvious solution to me, so I'd say its presumptuous to assume that all will be sorted by next season. After all, Pards has had a decent proportion of the season and, if anything, the problem has got worse. Maybe the problem will be even worse next season.....maybe 8 points worse...

Is that 6 made up of a new starting striker and 5 squad players, or have the last few weeks struck home that maybe our starting 11 is closer to a relegation fight than a top 7 challenge. I think we need a new starting RB, CB (alongside collicini), CM, wide midfielder, and 2 new strikers.... in addition to replacing any potential outgoings. We also need to have much more energy available on the pitch and on the bench. Then I wouldn't worry about relegation. I give plenty of credit for the team for coming together after relegation, when an implosion was potentially on the cards and could HAVE been catastrophic. And then I give them a lot of credit for coming back into the prem and not disgracing themselves, and giving us a memorable season. I think this team has been more than the sum of its parts. However, now (since we lost carroll) the sum of this team's parts isn't good enough to guarantee staying up again, and its too big a risk to once again bank on team spirit making up for that.

6 of the internationally-renowned "the big 7," and the entire midfield (and defence) of our Top 7 team for next year though... Terrible performance. Never looked like winning (or drawing tbh) once they pegged us back (and we didn't deserve to go ahead anyway). They deserved to win by a clear margin. I'd put that in the Top 5 of us being outplayed this season. Hopefully whoever holds the purse-strings and gets involved in transfers might try to make more than 1 addition to our starting line-up

Hey, nearly there prediction-wise. If I was Stevie I'd chalk this up to psychic powers

Finally ditched in my much loved (and updated) pro evo 6 on the ps2 and upgraded to a ps3 and fifa 11. Had played a ridiculous amount of pro evo offline over the years (my last fifa was 2000 on ps1 I think), so thought I'd make the switch to the other side. When started fifa, I thought I'd prefer the challenge of playing fully manual (after easily winning the first couple of games on semi-pro with the assisted stuff). Was wondering if anyone else played fully manual, and if you feel like you have 360 degree axis control. I'm struggling to fine tune anything between 45 degree intervals. The other main difference is the ease of being tackled when dribbling which is completely different to what i've been used to. Haven't really got used to using the skills all the time to beat a man. Any tips on which couple of effective, fairly simple to do skills, I need to adopt as standard use Might be up for some online gaming at some point but not just yet. Had a first taste just playing the 11 vs 11. 1st game was quite civilised, the next 3 were gung ho 8 on 2 attack vs defence-fests. Got the feeling noone else was unassisted.

What a fucking cunt by the way. I can tell your a horse racing fan because you watched the Dubai world cup you piece of shit. Japan come 1st and 2nd. All I commented on was cricket a sport no one gives a fuck about. You commented on horse racing a sport you love you thick piece of dirt. http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&...fd3bc16a86a49f1 also, I like the style of diminishing insults - fucking cunt -> piece of shit -> thick piece of dirt.... ? -> large piece of grass -> slightly disappointing flower -> car Its like one of those rom-com spree of insults that ends in a passionate embrace. I better saddle (geddit) up, eh

Hello guys two-hundred and ninety-second time poster long time viewer. I had to post because some wanker made this shit thread up. Why is thread shit you may ask? 1. Not many people in England give a flying fuck about horse racing 2. Not many people play the sport, hence were shit and small islands like Ireland and Japan are better than us 3. I could out jockey any of the England team but I cant be arsed I've got other things to worry about 4. Never seen a public horse-racing ground in England except for one with cider bottles and drug neddles laying about 5. What fucking schools play horse-racing? 6. Liam Treadwell had bad teeth (saw it on BBC after he won the 2009 Grand National) So could the fucking mods delete this thread. Its a fucking football forum not a horse-racing forum for fuck sake NB: the above may not necessarily be my views but may be a parody of someone else's shit post

As an out of towner, largely armchair/lying in bed watching on a stream football fan, I appreciate there's something you miss by not being in the city and completely immersed in the football culture, especially somewhere as football-centric as newcastle. I think these days with message boards, the internet, able to watch nearly every game in full, you can still get a pretty good feel for whats going on, and at least enough to make a reasonable stab at an opinion. May not be correct, as all certain posters' opinions are, but they can be pretty well informed. On that subject, in another topic (the american vs japanese reaction to catastrophe) you said you lived outside of the north east for 30 years. You didn't state when or where. However, if you're going to pick others up on being out of towners (which most admit readily when it would be quite simple to pretend otherwise) and render their opinion invalid, i think it would be a nice gesture if you could tell us which years you were away from newcastle, and thus your opinion (by your standards) is invalid/less valid on. p.s. I spent a while replying to your post in the 'egyptian revolution gathers pace' thread. i appreciate the thread changed tact after the UN resolution was passed. just in case you missed it in the excitement, and simultaneous arguments in several other threads, its here http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?...st&p=882242 if you saw it and didn't deem it worth replying, then that's fine as well. As I said, I'm not one for protracted circular arguments. p.p.s And yes, this is similar to how I speak in real life

I'm not a prolific poster on here, I shall reply to your points in turn and fully but in advance don't expect me to respond (quickly or at all) to anything you post in reply as I've seen how time-consuming and lowest common denominator (for parties on both sides of the argument) the circular arguments become. However, feel free to consider my non-reply as a sign of weakness/defeat. I have also (over several years of lurking) seen how you llike to bring up the non-answering of questions raised. To avoid this, I shall (very patronisingly but I feel necessarily) put bold subheadings to help break up the reply and signpost where I am answering your questions. The non-replied PM Firstly, odd that you (well, maybe not you, that someone) would bring up a massively unrelated PM (the only PM I've sent you). Its not like I've a long history of arguing with you, or that the PM was on an awkward subject. All I did was try to genuinely find out your views (away from circular arguments and going off on tangents) about where you thought newcastle would be if we had remained under the old board. Obviously this wasn't a question with a right answer as it is an opinion, and you gave me a short reasoned opinion. Nuff said, there were no obvious non-rhetorical questions asked back, and I'm not one for needless back and forth. Perhaps I should have thanked you for your reply... Still a strange way to begin a reply. Potential libyan exodus This topic for me would be pretty low on my justifications for getting involved in a conflict. I feel that the loss of life (Libyan fighters/civilans or foreign armed forces), the economic impact of war, the logistics of war, the potential stress on fractious western and middle eastern relations, the precedent set by getting involved (and how to choose which uprising is the right one to back in the future), potential repercusions, and many other things are more important factors into making a very difficult decision I wouldn't expect there to be a mass immigration to Britain, and feel this is the stereotypical Daily Mail/ Daily Express reader view. I'm not an expert on the subject but I would suggest there are many more countries that would bear the brunt of mass migration, either due to location, similarity of culture, or less stringent rules on immigration. Obviously Libya is in Africa rather than the middle-east heartland but I would suggest than Iraq is probably the best recent comparison (you having brought up Saddam as a comparison in other posts in this thread). I was aware of the mass exodus to Jordan and Syria and Egypt from generally keeping up with the news but I have found these articles which make interesting reading (for the person willing to appreciate others' viewpoints) http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/07/iraq.immigration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Iraq Considering that the Iraq War was a coalition of the willing of the US, UK, and a few others, how is it fair that the people of Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and Sweden are the ones that are "swamped" with refugees. Seems from the numbers that the US and the UK got off pretty lightly. There was no huge clamour from those countries to remove Saddam at the time. Plus, I would venture that, with the exception of Sweden, the average person is those countries enjoys a lower standard of life than those of the UK. How would you feel if the US and Australia invaded France for regime change (after Sarkozy goes all Napoleon), with no support from the UK or the rest of Europe, and England was swamped with thousands of French people fleeing wartorn France with little money. Am sure you'd be very understanding as they sort of look like us, and can mostly speak enough English to get by. Wouldn't you? Immigration to the UK With regards to the UK providing a home for anyone who wants to come here, I think the guardian (liberal, blah, blah) article shows that that is far from the case. For that time period in 2007, only 1 in 6 of a relatively small number of refugees (including those successful on appeal) were able to settle here. I don't have all the statistics from the beginning of the war to the end, but I would say that that is a pretty impressive 'rejection' rate from a nation who might feel a tiny bit obliged to look after those fleeing. On general terms, there clearly is an infrastructure in the UK that is unable to support infinite people. There needs to be a mixture of controlled immigration for those coming to work in jobs that the indigenous people are underqualified/unwilling to do, plus those who come for humanitarian reasons. I think that generally the UK has got a pretty good mix where it has control (i.e. non EU migration). On the subject of integration, there is an issue there but not one as problematic as you bang on about. yes, there are many bad people with bad intentions, and communities who wish to transport their own culture into a different environment. That is not ideal. These problems come with a multicultural society (which I am proud to live in) with ares of poverty (which I am less proud to have in our society), and I am sure are replicated the world over. That doesn't mean it is right 2 things to think about: 1/ British people (*generalisation alert*) are notoriously poor at integrating into other societies and cultures, be it for holidays or settling abroad in the sun. At least a decent proportion of these poor integrators have come to Britain to escape something horrible and struggle to integrate. I would say that very few Brits are forced out of their country through war and poverty (mainly by the rain! or through work), and still refuse to make the effort to integrate with the way of life abroad. OK, so they are not generally going out being terrorists (like all of them are doing here) and more often than not are helping stimulate the local economy, but they are still failing to integrate. 2/ What about the indigenous British people failing to integrate into society here? They are as bad, probably more so due to having had opportunities to spurn, than those that fail to integrate from abroad. You know, the salt of the earth local people, with families refusing to work, bring up large families, sponge off the state, are antisocial, spend most of the time getting wasted, probably out there commiting crimes. Again, there will be less of these than the papers would like you to think but they are failing to integrate into society (or trying to bring society down to their level). Is it OK because some of their great grandparents fought for their country and not for someone else?.... Maybe we can do a swap, for each non-integrating Libyan we accept, we can exile one of these Brits to a potentially wartorn Libya. Questions of increasing hyperbole Not sure if I put my faith in the UN. But it was formed for this very situation (as Happy Face showed when quoting Churchill), and I have more faith in the UN making the right call (or choosing not to make a call) than in you making the right call. With regards to the UN failing to back Iraq invasion, I think you could at the very least call the right/wrong of the decision "arguable." They will generally err on the side of caution, and whilst that can be bad, I think caution will generally save more lives than it loses.... may not stop those pesky immigrants though Human nature - would probably just about put my faith in the median human's nature. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) its not the average human whose going to be getting involved in this. There will be powerful people with various agendas, a lot of generally cuntish people, and a lot of selfless people as well. The average person will be sat at home seeing how it plays out. I would say that the general nature of the average human is to try and do as much good without causing great inconvenience or harm to one's self or others, and that would probably be the right attitude for this situation IMO Not especially happy seeing Libya murder its own people. In fact, I think it makes me sad actually. However, there's been a lot of murdering of a lot of people by governments and armies and militia and rebels over the years, some of which the watching world has intervened in, but most that has been left alone. Thats not because people like seeing streets littered with bodies but because you have to be realistic. You have to pick and choose (if any) your fights, and have to accept that to do nothing may (horribly) be the lesser of 2 very big evils. And, as it has been said, if there is something that tips things into it, on balance, being the greater of 2 evils to do nothing, then you must act, and act decisively. I see nothing that makes this situation special, fortunately/unfortunately Libyans shooting dead a policewoman on the streets of London - i wonder if the US are considering evacuating due to their "hyperbole alert" going above safe levels over there! Not quite sure how we get from A to B to egpytion hieroglyphic of a hawk or something. However, I shall humour you. This would be bad. But I'm pretty sure that the things which would be more likely to make a Libyan come to/stay in London and feel the urge to shoot a policewoman would either be Back to the Future 4, or a perceived "Invasion" of their country and a similar post-invasion magical perfect outcome as there has been in Iraq. I guess if we fail to kill loads of Libyans through the medium of war, then statistically there may be more Libyans still alive, and thus a statistical higher chance of the next person shooting a policewoman in London being Libyan, so maybe its a reasonable argument after all. LM's opinion, hindsight, or a fools world..with cavemen... Hopefully this overly long post has outlined what I feel should be done. Nothing militarily. As you have said numerous times, this is not a computer game (it also isn't a shoe or a carpet, but that's by the by). There are a multitude of factors that will say whether doing nothing, military intervention, or non-military intervention (sanctions, asset freezing, making Gaddafi an international pariah, etc) ends up being the right decision. I don't have hindsight (I'm short sighted) so maybe I'm wrong and you're right (for massively wrong reasons most likely) and in years to come, every topic in this board will be tediously derailed by either 'I told you about Ashley' or 'I told you about Libya and those fucking immigrants' and tbh the variety will be appreciated Not sure who the cavemen comment is aimed at. I hope its at gaddafi and his mercenaries. I fear, given past form, its more a blanket term aimed at Libya as a whole, or the middle east/muslim/non-British world as a whole. Generally though, I'd be happier living in what (I feel from your many posts on here) you say is a fool's world than a LeazesMag ideal world. Finally, you, of all people, should be the expert at appreciating that getting rid of a perceived (by the majority) to be bad thing, and replacing it by a perceived (by the majority) to be good/better/different thing does not always work. You do bring it up 20-30 times a day on here, and who knows how often in everyday life with anyone else who will listen. Its obviously not a perfect analogy but it illustrates that even when your grass is old and yellowing, it may still be even less green on the other side. Revolution/counter revolution, uprising/surpression etc etc Arab problem, let them work it out themselves, unless it looks like the fundamentalist crazies are going to win, then we'd have to protect self interest. on the other hand, we can allow the general population to escape to the west instead of being murdered where they will be forever grateful and seek to integrate into our societies... oh, wait You haven't answered my PM from a few weeks ago, when I answered what you asked me. Nobody wants to put our Armed Forces in the front line and be killed. My comment is a consequence of not dealing with the situation and creating a situation whereby people will want to come to Britain to get away from their homeland [but pine for it later] - and Britain it will be in most cases, because we look after "them" at our own expense and detriment. How long exactly do you think that we, can continue to provide shelter and a home for anybody who wants to come here, both economically and culturally, given that increasing numbers are showing an increasing unwillingness to integrate ? Or do you put your faith in the UN ? Or Human nature ? Or are you happy to see Libya continue murdering its own people, maybe even one day shooting dead a policewoman on the streets of London ? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see Servicemen or security services killed anywhere, but what in YOUR opinion can be done to deal with it, rather than either use hindsight or live in a fools world where you think we can educate these cavemen ?

If I was a bit more like Parky, I'd think this was a clever Stevie conspiracy to put out his bets in such a way that if they are wrong they'll be ignored, but if they come off, it's definitely psychic powers Although to be fair to Stevie he did outright say that his psychic powers, like all good superhero powers, refuse to be used for profiteering

Hypothetically, if West Ham had offered Dyer to us just to the end of the season just after we sold carroll, no strings attached (small loan fee, say 10-15grand/week, no obligation to buy) would you have gone for it? I think I would have been tempted to. He's so different to any of our forward thinking players that I think he'd still be a better impact sub option than most of what we have, and a decent back-up when a couple of midfielders are unavailable. Obviously a long-term non-pay-as-you-play deal would be unacceptable

Its all about catering to the supafans and not the jonny-come-latelies It people are following the conversation they don't have to read/scroll through all the quoted bumpf everytime But if you're randomly opening the thread then it doesn't make sense No matter - to each their own..

Hmmmm... interesting So 'we' go in 'there' to stop 'them' from coming 'here.' Presumably some soldiers' lives will be lost. Just help me out with the equation here, what's the acceptable ratio of soldier's lives lost to potential immigrants halted. Am curious. Is 1 person's life worth stopping 1000 immigrants coming here? 100 immigrants? 10 immigrants? 1 poppy-burning immigrant? Am not an expert in life:immigration trading, so apologies if I've got the numbers all wrong. Given your issues with the poppy burning, I'm surprised that you would put British soldiers' lives on the line to stop immigrants. Pah, why bother going to the hassle of putting troops on hostile ground, why not just get our troops on the border (pick a border, any border), arm them up real nice, and let them halt the immigrants. Almost like, to you, its more important that a stupid muslim is punished for burning a poppy, than the life lost that the poppy stands for. Revolution/counter revolution, uprising/surpression etc etc Arab problem, let them work it out themselves, unless it looks like the fundamentalist crazies are going to win, then we'd have to protect self interest. on the other hand, we can allow the general population to escape to the west instead of being murdered where they will be forever grateful and seek to integrate into our societies... oh, wait

I prefer it If people are following the conversation they don't have to read/scroll through all the quoted bumpf everytime Rallying against the establishment

Thought there was more choice tbh Having had a look after posting last night, there's donations to man u, chelsea, arsenal, and liverpool. Some pro and anti hunting lobbies. And each of the main 3 political parties The US options include pro-life/pro-choice and anti-gun/NRA Beyond that you can straight out nominate someone to receive money. Might be worth looking up Lambias's details and stick £50 his way each time you don't lose weight. If that doesn't motivate you.... Is he? Fuck it then? Are there any other fat bastards I can have a motivational bet with then? That Paul Wyn could lose a few pounds. Everyone else treats their bodies as temples. I treat mine like a shed but i bought two pairs of slacks after work tonight and am a confirmed 31. Try Renton. Renton would be a good one actually similar build and age, but am not sure if he'd be up for it. I'll do owt for a bet, and it would give me added motivation. Like what?

If you can't find a volunteer, could have a go at this. http://www.stickk.com/tour.php It sounds interesting, basically you set a goal and, if you fail to make that goal, a punishment. For you, failing to lose a certain amount of weight a week could result in a £20 donation to something Liverpool related Is he? Fuck it then? Are there any other fat bastards I can have a motivational bet with then? That Paul Wyn could lose a few pounds. Everyone else treats their bodies as temples. I treat mine like a shed but i bought two pairs of slacks after work tonight and am a confirmed 31. Try Renton. Renton would be a good one actually similar build and age, but am not sure if he'd be up for it. I'll do owt for a bet, and it would give me added motivation.

The old "its OK to be racist because I really dislike him" gambit. Followed by the awareness that there is likely to be complaints. Followed by a plea not to delete said racist post. Definitely unconventional. As we used to say early on in the world of the internet: in before banned ............ you're a waste of bandwidth sunshine. Sunshine given that you like to portray yourself as something of a forum *'f*cken' hard-man with a penchant for jumping into threads with the sort of post as above, i'll make a special exception in this case hence i'm happy hitting you with a racist slur, irrespective of what is sure to be a stream of complaints & subsequent Mod action taken against me. *a pisstake out for what has to be your excited & frequent use of the aforementioned expletive, as others have suggested. I bet you've already pulled out the Kleenex tissues, hence i bolded that bit especially for you sunshine. Don't delete this post Mods.

Didn't a British skier lose the bronze medal a few years back because they'd used Vicks Sinex? Pseudoephedrine is a stimulant, it's in loads of cold remedies. Aye, was just reminding myself of the story before coming back to post a link in here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Baxter Apparently the UK version of the inhaler didn't contain the banned substance whereas the US version did. That's someone I have sympathy for (if thats the truth). Not someone with ridiculous resources likely surrounded by many people able to offer advice who "takes his wife's slimming pills." According to wiki he got the medal back unofficially from the guy awarded it but never won his appeal with the IOC

Exactly. All the more reason for avoiding "the wife's slimming pills"

A bit of unnecessary chips-pissing but that pic (and your ears!) are from the game before. Thats the keegan bolton return (hence the fetching hats) which finished 0-0 according to wiki. The last win is at the beginning of the following season, 1-0 with IIRC a close range martins bicycle kick. We then had a league loss to arsenal and a cup win against coventry, and then shit and fans (electric not supporters) came into contact I do believe that was under the management of one Kevin Keegan. We're on our 6th managerial change since then! Bolton wasn't it? Bolton, at home, under Kevin Keegan you say...

You'd hope that if you were an athlete aware that banned substances were an issue that : 1/ if you were going to take any sort of pills, they would be your own, rather than your wife's. and you'd get them on prescription/after discussion with the club doctor 2/ maybe you'd see your body as your source of employment, so maybe you'd skip on hoying down the first pills you find 3/ you'd make a lifestyle change and go to weightwatchers rather than take slimming pills. Or get Gemmill to email that really long manual

To be fair with jonas picking up a knock, and simpson starting at right mid, maybe its time for collicini to play on the wing. Looks better technically going forward than everyone else barring nolan and barton. Some say dekka is a stupid, ignorant cock, I say he is a visionary. First step towards total football in the 21st century. Have a squad of 16-18 players and just have people playing in any position rather than the antiquated nonsense of specialist players in specialist positions We should get cruyff into our setup. But in the spirit of total football in a place where the casino manager is the chairman, the vulgar reduced cheap clothing emperor is the owner, cruyff should be offered the job of kitman and tealady (why pay for 2 people to do the job, when one could do both to a lower quality)

I can imagine CT's match day pre-match cheeseburger and chips 1st half: 'Told you that enrique was on the wain. Jonas just got lucky with that cross for the goal' Enrique injured - 'ha its fergie time, oh its shola' half-time cheeseburger with double cheeseburger chaser 2nd half: 'Who's that scrawny little bugger come on at left back. We want fergie. All hail fergie. Get Jonas off, bring on Fergie.' after match: salad with a side of donner kebab. 'wait that was shane ferguson. shit. he didn't look ready for first team football at all. i wonder how my imagination morphed him from that into garrincha (wait i don't know anything about non-newcastle football) urm, into a laurent robert figure after seeing him for 30 minutes against chelsea reserves. I blame jonas'

Fair point. I love Shola, so I can't imagine him being a 3rd choice striker again, unless he moves to Barca and slots in ahead of pedro but behind Messi and Villa! Just wait till next week when Pardew says that Ferguson is actually a striker as well. We don't need more/better players/depth, just pretend that non-established players can cover loads of positions!

I'm not Taylor's biggest critic or supporter but have to agree with the merited criticism from today. I was impressed with him at right back when we went down, and thought he did pretty well there/as a 3rd cb against bolton but he was shocking today. Worse than backing off for the goal was another one a few mins later (or earlier) when arteta ran at him from about 40 yards out and he backed off and off until arteta came into the penalty area, then he suddenly lunged in. Didn't get the ball, and thankfully didn't get enough of arteta to send him tumbling, but was incredibly stupid - if you're going to challenge do it before the penalty area, and if you're going to back off then commit to it fully. Backing off is a recurring theme with our defence, and his performance today definitely didn't help things. The amount of times this season people have had time to pick out their shot from 6-18 yards out with a body or 2 on the line is shocking, and explains all the "unlucky" goals we have with 1 or more deflections. It needs addressing urgently regardless of which 4 are at the back