Rayvin 4964 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Dunno like, I struggle with the national anthem. I'd refuse to stand, sing, bow, whatever if it came on. Not sure I'd turn my back in his position, but I'd be doing my best to look disengaged. Â That said, if we had an anthem that wasn't praising and singing for the good health of a small number of 'elites' then I'd be on board with it, so maybe that is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2414 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 This guy strikes me as Joey Barton with less brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Dunno like, I struggle with the national anthem. I'd refuse to stand, sing, bow, whatever if it came on. Not sure I'd turn my back in his position, but I'd be doing my best to look disengaged. Â That said, if we had an anthem that wasn't praising and singing for the good health of a small number of 'elites' then I'd be on board with it, so maybe that is a difference. Â Yeah, your issue is with a mythical creature defending some German lass who won the bloodline Lottery. Understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 This guy strikes me as Joey Barton with less brains. Jesus christ! It's a wonder he can stand up without instruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 The national anthem is a fuckin disgrace. If his attention seeking efforts put some focus on what a pile of shit it actually is then fair play to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 If bloodline lotteries didn't have so much influence over the respective social positions of most of the people in this country, then yes, it'd be an irrelevant position to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I think protesting the Royal Family is a better use of your time than protesting a song about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26340 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 No one was asking him to belt out the words. Of course the anthem is a pile of shite but it shows a complete disdain for the country in which he's happy to earn to a living. When the likes of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are happy to shake the Queen's hand then it shows this twat up for the petty idiot he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Well he's being put into this position by his career choice. He may be misguided but what is actually wrong with standing up for what you believe in? He's got to look the catholic community back home in Derry in the eye, I imagine that means more to him than pissing off the internet and football people in general tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I think protesting the Royal Family is a better use of your time than protesting a song about them. Â I feel hugely uncomfortable whenever I've stood up for the anthem in the past (which I now don't do) because I simply don't believe in the words on the level of principle. I do not owe them my allegiance, and I will not stand respectfully for them while singing for their good health. I think it's a farce that the anthem that represents 60 million people is dedicated to a single old woman. Â I'm not going to protest about it though, I'm just expressing personal preference. McClean is a slightly different case if his issue is more with the UK, as that does raise the spectre of 'well you're happy to earn a living here'; but if it's directed at the Royals as mine is, then I can't fault him. I doubt it's the latter though, that doesn't seem to be the political angle for Ireland. That said, I can understand his position and the sentiment, even if it is a tad misguided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Â I feel hugely uncomfortable whenever I've stood up for the anthem in the past (which I now don't do) because I simply don't believe in the words on the level of principle. I do not owe them my allegiance, and I will not stand respectfully for them while singing for their good health. I think it's a farce that the anthem that represents 60 million people is dedicated to a single old woman. Â I'm not going to protest about it though, I'm just expressing personal preference. McClean is a slightly different case if his issue is more with the UK, as that does raise the spectre of 'well you're happy to earn a living here'; but if it's directed at the Royals as mine is, then I can't fault him. I doubt it's the latter though, that doesn't seem to be the political angle for Ireland. That said, I can understand his position and the sentiment, even if it is a tad misguided. It's a partisan song that I only ever hear at the beginning of a sporting event, I can honestly say it doesn't impact my life whatsoever... beyond the fact it's a dirge and it's hardly a stirring call to arms. Â The Royal family as an establishment is another issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Fair enough, I do accept that I this may just be one of my (many) hair triggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3978 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 When I went to our games n the US in 2000, I remained standing for the two anthems out of good manners in someone else's country more than anything else so I think on that basis I think he's slightly wrong. Overall however I made a point of sitting down at the cup finals when GSTQ was played as I did when it was played at SJP for the royal deaths. I don't think I will ever stand for it again given the slightest choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26340 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Well he's being put into this position by his career choice. He may be misguided but what is actually wrong with standing up for what you believe in? He's got to look the catholic community back home in Derry in the eye, I imagine that means more to him than pissing off the internet and football people in general tbh. The point is that the war is over. 99% of people in this country want to move on from our bloody past but there are idiots who would still like to see us shooting and blowing up 'the Brits'. The likes of Shane Ferguson is also from Derry but that's hasn't stopped him from playing for NI or turning his back during GSTQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 It's a partisan song that I only ever hear at the beginning of a sporting event, I can honestly say it doesn't impact my life whatsoever... beyond the fact it's a dirge and it's hardly a stirring call to arms. Â The Royal family as an establishment is another issue. Â Have thought about this a little more - I think I'd say that the singing/standing would be tacit acknowledgement of their position and a demonstration of the level of acceptance in our society that we have for this hierarchical system. So no, the anthem in itself, if considered alone, is not worthy of ire. When considered as part of our social conditioning however, for me at least, refusal to take part is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 The point is that the war is over. 99% of people in this country want to move on from our bloody past but there are idiots who would still like to see us shooting and blowing up 'the Brits'. The likes of Shane Ferguson is also from Derry but that's hasn't stopped him from playing for NI or turning his back during GSTQ. Â This is a fair comment. As a public figure, he does have a level of responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Why are they playing it for a club game anyway? Â Â Yanks play theirs before their club games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38757 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Should've done a Nazi salute, missed opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2414 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 The point is that the war is over. 99% of people in this country want to move on from our bloody past but there are idiots who would still like to see us shooting and blowing up 'the Brits'. The likes of Shane Ferguson is also from Derry but that's hasn't stopped him from playing for NI or turning his back during GSTQ. He's even played for Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4220 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Cherno Samba, one of the greatest CM/FM legends there has ever been, has retired today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26824 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Milner got asked from the BBC about wearing the "famous" number 7 shirt at Liverpool. Â "It's a huge number, it's not as huge as 100 or say a billion, not even as huge as 22" Â That boring Milner Twitter account has him spot on if hes actually sayin stuff like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30404 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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