Europe --- In or Out

[Alex 30802]

There must be a phrase to sum all this up. Something along the lines of: Broken Britain.

[Meenzer 14136]

Hug a hoodie (unless they're Hungarian)

[Park Life 71]

Mug a foodie.

[Dr Gloom 20169]

there is a consistent theme to what OECD countries see as the medium term threats to the UK economy. storm before the calm tbh

 

 

[Meenzer 14136]

A significant positive shock from cooperating with our nearest neighbours instead of telling them to fuck off?

 

[Park Life 71]

Prefer the jittery ramblings of OCD tbh.

[Christmas Tree 4005]

The same OECD that receives millions from the EU

 

The same OECD that as part of project fear, predicted a big recession and a million job losses IMMEDIATELY after the vote.

 

The same OECD which also concluded today (they’re learning), “the outcome could prove more favourable than assumed in this report”.

 

The same OECD that says that our economy will continue to grow even in the case of a no deal.

[Christmas Tree 4005]

I’m certainly coming around to the idea of us quickly confirming we are moving onto WTO terms if they don’t pull their finger out.

 

 

[Alex 30802]

1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said:

The same OECD that receives millions from the EU

 

The same OECD that as part of project fear, predicted a big recession and a million job losses IMMEDIATELY after the vote.

 

The same OECD which also concluded today (they’re learning), “the outcome could prove more favourable than assumed in this report”.

 

The same OECD that says that our economy will continue to grow even in the case of a no deal.

Surely the last point is negated by your earlier inferences that they're biased and unreliable though. Cake and eat it, if you want terms you understand

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3284]

8 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

The same OECD that receives millions from the EU

 

The same OECD that as part of project fear, predicted a big recession and a million job losses IMMEDIATELY after the vote.

 

The same OECD which also concluded today (they’re learning), “the outcome could prove more favourable than assumed in this report”.

 

The same OECD that says that our economy will continue to grow even in the case of a no deal.

 

It receives money from its members which include the EU you utter shit sucking moron.

[Meenzer 14136]

Again, I cannot stress this enough - CT is still trying to work out how to explain to his kids that he's voted away their future on a whim. Everything he says needs to be viewed through that prism.

[Renton 18051]

33 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

 

It receives money from its members which include the EU you utter shit sucking moron.

Not even that, the money comes directly from constituent members, some of whom happen to be in the EU.

 

Wonder which site tubs got this latest bit of misinformation from. Of course he knows better than the experts of probably the most respected economic research body in the world.

 

And the OECD were right about most things, apart from timing. We are the slowest growing economy in the developed world. Inflation is rising, wages are stagnant, and the EU, rather than falling apart as he predicted, has galvanised. And we haven't even left yet.

[Renton 18051]

21 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

Again, I cannot stress this enough - CT is still trying to work out how to explain to his kids that he's voted away their future on a whim. Everything he says needs to be viewed through that prism.

I suspect like many brexiters he knows deep down he's wrong but will never admit it. If the shit hits the fan, he will simply disappear. Again. 

[Alex 30802]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

I suspect like many brexiters he knows deep down he's wrong but will never admit it.

It's why I fear even a second referendum might not be enough to save us from this mess

[Rayvin 4970]

43 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

I’m certainly coming around to the idea of us quickly confirming we are moving onto WTO terms if they don’t pull their finger out.

 

 

 

That doesn't punish them as much as it punishes us ffs. If anything, it'll just incentivise their homegrown industries to step into the shoes of the British ones they were buying from, in order to cut us out over time. We could arguably do the same thing back to them, but I'm not sure we have the capability to do so on the same scale.

[Alex 30802]

We'll just grow more food. That's Chris Grayling's solution

[Renton 18051]

The whole situation is utterly mental. You'd have to be an idiot not to see what a disaster the cliff edge represents, even the likes of Cummings and North know this. The only people to benefit are vulture capitalists. 

 

If we can somehow get out of this mess we desperately need to reform our political system because it has failed us badly. 

[Renton 18051]

And hold on, is WTO the cracking deal CT was certain we'd get? The massive tit. 

[Howmanheyman 27580]

On 16/10/2017 at 11:01 AM, Alex said:

You can always trust the Tories on the economy.

'Same old Tories, sorting labour's mess'.

[Howmanheyman 27580]

On 16/10/2017 at 1:34 PM, Alex said:

It's a bit like when the vote was happening, amongst leavers there were rumours about there being a conspiracy to rig the referendum, i.e. we want to give power back to the people we don't even trust to hold a fair vote on this issue. All that shit about taking a pen, so the 'X' couldn't be erased from the ballot paper.

 

I'd forgot about the pen patter. 

[Gemmill 35571]

Boldon's Derek Bird bringing the knowledge again. 

[Alex 30802]

1 minute ago, Howmanheyman said:

'Same old Tories, sorting labour's mess'.

The bigger the lie...

Look at the perception of the Thatcher years as some sort of necessary evil to save the country from terminal decline. But we had the 6th biggest economy when she came to power and it was the 6th biggest after even though the Soviet Union collapsed. She increased public spending because she'd made so many people unemployed so she increased taxes to pay for it (except for the rich). The country ran a deficit for almost all of her years in power until the (short lived) boom at the end of the 80s and the deficit was rising again by the time she went, even though she sold off all the family silver and had North Sea oil and gas revenues. The rate of inflation was nearly as high when she left power as when she took over but the spirallin inflation back then was a sign Labour couldn't run the economy. Then there were the crippling interest rates which caused many to default on their mortgage payments. And she basically created the public housing crisis (or at the very least made a crisis a lot worse). But she's made out as a saviour because there were a few strikes in the 70s (a decade where inequality was nothing like as bad as it was by the time she went).

[Dr Gloom 20169]

1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said:

I’m certainly coming around to the idea of us quickly confirming we are moving onto WTO terms if they don’t pull their finger out.

 

 

 

because that would be so brilliant for the country? 

[Dr Gloom 20169]

12 minutes ago, Alex said:

The bigger the lie...

Look at the perception of the Thatcher years as some sort of necessary evil to save the country from terminal decline. But we had the 6th biggest economy when she came to power and it was the 6th biggest after even though the Soviet Union collapsed. She increased public spending because she'd made so many people unemployed so she increased taxes to pay for it (except for the rich). The country ran a deficit for almost all of her years in power until the (short lived) boom at the end of the 80s and the deficit was rising again by the time she went, even though she sold off all the family silver and had North Sea oil and gas revenues. The rate of inflation was nearly as high when she left power as when she took over but the spirallin inflation back then was a sign Labour couldn't run the economy. Then there were the crippling interest rates which caused many to default on their mortgage payments. And she basically created the public housing crisis (or at the very least made a crisis a lot worse). But she's made out as a saviour because there were a few strikes in the 70s (a decade where inequality was nothing like as bad as it was by the time she went).

 

yeah, but she crushed the unions and we all know collective bargaining is the root of all evil. 

[Alex 30802]

And it's relevant because a pernicious print media still tells us a truth that is in the interests of their owners and not the people. And, of course, the kind of rampant free market economics championed by Thatcher is what got us into this mess in the first place.