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1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

Some wank pot on 5 Live this morning tried making out the architects will know every dimension of the place.  Get to fuck daft cunt.  Architects stuggle with new builds let alone a survey on a place like that.  That would cost hundreds of thousands.  They were begging for money for a fucking masonry repair let alone a point cloud survey and dimension survey.

 

Where the fuck do the Beeb find these glue sniffing cunts?

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2 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Some wank pot on 5 Live this morning tried making out the architects will know every dimension of the place.  Get to fuck daft cunt.  Architects stuggle with new builds let alone a survey on a place like that.  That would cost hundreds of thousands.  They were begging for money for a fucking masonry repair let alone a point cloud survey and dimension survey.

 

Where the fuck do the Beeb find these glue sniffing cunts?

Glue sniffing cunt 1:0 wyki

 

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Awkward :lol:

 

I appreciate this is an important historical and religious building to a lot of people and it's terrible it's burned down, BUT you would think there were 300 worshippers inside when it went up reading some of the press coverage. Maybe it's difficult for me to comprehend being staunchly atheist?

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14 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Awkward :lol:

 

I appreciate this is an important historical and religious building to a lot of people and it's terrible it's burned down, BUT you would think there were 300 worshippers inside when it went up reading some of the press coverage. Maybe it's difficult for me to comprehend being staunchly atheist?

One of the aspects of going to games in Europe I always enjoyed was visiting significant churches. The architecture and art can be breathtaking but I always spared a thought for the poor peasants who paid for them both literally and by resources not spent on the communities by the bishops/popes. 

 

It's a shame this has happened but the gnashing of teeth grates on me too - fuckers turning up and singing hymns being an example.

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25 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Awkward :lol:

 

I appreciate this is an important historical and religious building to a lot of people and it's terrible it's burned down, BUT you would think there were 300 worshippers inside when it went up reading some of the press coverage. Maybe it's difficult for me to comprehend being staunchly atheist?

 

I was devastated by this and not because it's a religious building per se. It's a monument to Western civilisation that has stood for 800 years. It's also a monument for France's identity.

 

If it had been Buckingham Palace or something i don't think i would have cared overly. Or even a normal cathedral. But Notre Dame is just hugely culturally significant.

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I think someone would be doing the country a favour by burning down Buckingham Palace, it's an ugly looking building. Notre Dame's exterior was beautiful though. I wasn't that impressed with what I saw of the interior.

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34 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Awkward :lol:

 

I appreciate this is an important historical and religious building to a lot of people and it's terrible it's burned down, BUT you would think there were 300 worshippers inside when it went up reading some of the press coverage. Maybe it's difficult for me to comprehend being staunchly atheist?

I don’t believe in god but I do appreciate a lot of religious architecture. I found the events quite tragic. You can still find human tragedy to be just that and be upset by something like this. Although it does appear that the vault is completely intact and restoration is just a matter of when rather than if. I don’t mean that as a dig at you or anything because I understand where you’re coming from 

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They spent over a decade building the cathedral in Mainz, then they illuminated it with torches for the day of its consecration and it burnt down. Tough old business.

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19 minutes ago, NJS said:

One of the aspects of going to games in Europe I always enjoyed was visiting significant churches. The architecture and art can be breathtaking but I always spared a thought for the poor peasants who paid for them both literally and by resources not spent on the communities by the bishops/popes. 

 

It's a shame this has happened but the gnashing of teeth grates on me too - fuckers turning up and singing hymns being an example.

I’ve found the ‘prayer for Notre Dame’ thing doing the rounds on social media to be quite amusing. Apart from wondering what the fuck prayer is meant to achieve, surely ‘their god’ let this happen. 

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Just now, Alex said:

I’ve found the ‘prayer for Notre Dame’ thing doing the rounds on social media to be quite amusing. Apart from wondering what the fuck prayer is meant to achieve, surely ‘their god’ let this happen. 

One of the first tweets I saw about it actually had "sending thoughts and prayers" - that universal cure all. 

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3 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

They spent over a decade building the cathedral in Mainz, then they illuminated it with torches for the day of its consecration and it burnt down. Tough old business.

Prayers and thoughts for this to happen to Blackpool 

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27 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I think someone would be doing the country a favour by burning down Buckingham Palace, it's an ugly looking building. Notre Dame's exterior was beautiful though. I wasn't that impressed with what I saw of the interior.

 

It's no primark 

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9 minutes ago, Alex said:

I’ve found the ‘prayer for Notre Dame’ thing doing the rounds on social media to be quite amusing. Apart from wondering what the fuck prayer is meant to achieve, surely ‘their god’ let this happen. 

 

People are broadly helpless in this situation, and if saying prayers makes them feel better then that's what it achieves. Maybe they can even point to the fact that the whole building isn't a write off as some kind of indication that their prayers were answered, and use that to find some meaning in life for a period of time.

 

But I do see your point - if people do believe there is a god, then why would they be so arrogant as to think that he's just sitting up there waiting for Sarah from Manchester to make a specific plea in order to jump in and save the day? In the end, the Cathedral burned down because it is a man made building for a man made religious organisation, that was set on fire through man made incompetence. God actually preventing this would have taken a Biblical level of divine intervention that would rather defeat the notion of our existence on earth being a test of faith (which is what I understand it to be, religiously speaking..).

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Also, this "thoughts and prayers" shit in general. I'm sure that 99% of the people who write that have 1) never said an earnest prayer in their lives, and 2) immediately dismiss all thoughts about the issue once they've sent the tweet.

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Aye, but they've shown the world what a caring and compassionate person they are, that's the important thing for a lot of them.

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I had a teacher who admitted to praying for SAFC to win and then asked us why it was pointless - I resisted the temptation to say well obviously God hates you as much as everyone else in the world before he told us it was because someone would be praying for the opposition. We didn't get into which person was more pious and therefore deserved to have their prayers answered. 

 

Catholic education eh? 

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1 minute ago, NJS said:

I had a teacher who admitted to praying for SAFC to win and then asked us why it was pointless - I resisted the temptation to say well obviously God hates you as much as everyone else in the world before he told us it was because someone would be praying for the opposition. We didn't get into which person was more pious and therefore deserved to have their prayers answered. 

 

Catholic education eh? 

 

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I mean it's absurd but it makes me smile that some people are satisfied with answers like this.

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I prayed that my granda wouldn't die of cancer. I guess someone else was praying even harder than me that he would. :(

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27 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Also, this "thoughts and prayers" shit in general. I'm sure that 99% of the people who write that have 1) never said an earnest prayer in their lives, and 2) immediately dismiss all thoughts about the issue once they've sent the tweet.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Alex said:

I don’t believe in god but I do appreciate a lot of religious architecture. I found the events quite tragic. You can still find human tragedy to be just that and be upset by something like this. Although it does appear that the vault is completely intact and restoration is just a matter of when rather than if. I don’t mean that as a dig at you or anything because I understand where you’re coming from 

 

I get that, and it's always shit when something that old is damaged, regardless of religion. 

 

I'm less sympathetic about the nationwide mourning for the nails and wood splinters from Jesus' crucifixion that may have been lost in the fire... 

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3 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

 

I get that, and it's always shit when something that old is damaged, regardless of religion. 

 

I'm less sympathetic about the nationwide mourning for the nails and wood splinters from Jesus' crucifixion that may have been lost in the fire... 

 

If they are actually what they claim to be, which I am extremely doubtful of, then they're still hugely culturally significant. I mean they represent something that has had a more profound impact on human civilisation than... possibly anything?

 

Sorry, I'm a total purist when it comes to history and historical artifacts, everything should be hoarded and saved :ninja: 

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