Transfers, 2023-24 season

[Toonpack 6932]

11 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Why the hell are we insisting on staggered payments?

 

Because most clubs do, nowt unusual at all

 

[Polarboy 2124]

Just seen it pointed out that Rogers definitively said Fofana isn't for sale, as opposed to his more noncommittal answer on Maddison. 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Polarboy

[ewerk 26558]

5 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Because most clubs do, nowt unusual at all

 

We aren’t supposed to be most clubs. Ashley definitely had a period where he insisted we paid all fees up front.

[Polarboy 2124]

Even the current top clubs like Liverpool, Citeh and Chelsea use staggered payments, and we're nowhere near them in terms of advertising revenue from which we can supplement our transfer kitty. It's going to take years to build the commercial end of things, but hopefully Darren Eales will work his magic. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Polarboy

[Dougle 2869]

8 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Anyone expecting any movement this week? 

 

[Polarboy 2124]

[Dr Gloom 19879]

37 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

 

Chicken nonce trying to piss in everybody's cornflakes as per with the last line. Unfortunately he could be correct. 

If we manage to get him for £45m it’s another brilliant bit of business. Suspect it might have to be north of £50m

[OTF 6198]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

 

The inevitability of our business is what strikes me from the way we're moving. We have actual irons in the fire instead of imaginary ones. We won't be held to ransom, but when our interest is genuine we'll have genuine offers on the table. Even if our top targets aren't immediately obtained we've established a line of communication that gives us an upper hand in future negotiations. Take Maddison for example, he's now aware of our interest. Fast forward to January or next summer and with his contract nearing its final year he'll have a choice to make; re-sign with Leiecester who are on a flat or potentially downwards trajectory, go to Newcastle who are on the up with a view to lasting success or go elsewhere entirely. You're more likely to go with a known admirer if they have continued to grow than to take a chance elsewhere.

 

We will sign some attacking players before the window closes, of that I am sure.

[Polarboy 2124]

What does in excess of 45m mean though, 47.5m, 50m?

[Dr Gloom 19879]

25 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Why the hell are we insisting on staggered payments?

to get past FFP

[ewerk 26558]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

to get past FFP

Payment terms have nothing to do with FFP.

[Polarboy 2124]

1 minute ago, OTF said:

 

The inevitability of our business is what strikes me from the way we're moving. We have actual irons in the fire instead of imaginary ones. We won't be held to ransom, but when our interest is genuine we'll have genuine offers on the table. Even if our top targets aren't immediately obtained we've established a line of communication that gives us an upper hand in future negotiations. Take Maddison for example, he's now aware of our interest. Fast forward to January or next summer and with his contract nearing its final year he'll have a choice to make; re-sign with Leiecester who are on a flat or potentially downwards trajectory, go to Newcastle who are on the up with a view to lasting success or go elsewhere entirely. You're more likely to go with a known admirer if they have continued to grow than to take a chance elsewhere.

 

We will sign some attacking players before the window closes, of that I am sure.

 

That's what we've done with Botman, so you could be spot on there. 

[OTF 6198]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

to get past FFP

 

Especially knowing that we'll have vastly improved sponsorship and corporate income in seasons to come.

[OTF 6198]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

Payment terms have nothing to do with FFP.

 

Is that entirely accounted for under ammortisation?

[KetteringMag 11]

21 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Payment terms have nothing to do with FFP.

Thought they did ? Surely putting down say £8m just for this season is better on the balance sheet than £45m in one go , it's all outgoings 

[Dr Gloom 19879]

28 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Payment terms have nothing to do with FFP.

Isn’t it? I presumed it was based on yearly reporting periods. 

[Dr Gloom 19879]

Confess I’m not across the detail, so if that isn’t the case then I’m stumped 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Dr Gloom

[Howay 12480]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Isn’t it? I presumed it was based on yearly reporting periods. 

I think ewerk is right, I think as OTF says it’s more seen in terms of amortization so total price of transfer + wages over contract rather than when the cash is paid. The only timing thing I think would be if we did the loan with obligation to buy, that plays with the timing for FFP purposes as it doesn’t start the amortization on the transfer until the permanent deal takes effect. 
 

The club does seem to have some cash flow issues, which the loan is looking to address - it’s probably been discussed but these loans are common and I think get round rules to do with how cash is contributed in by ownership, or maybe also plays with FFP. The good thing is our side do look to be very savvy in terms of how they’re doing things with FFP, but don’t want to take the Man City approach of almost ignoring it then possibly fighting it. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Howay

[Polarboy 2124]

Rumours that Leicester are in for Houssem Aouar off Lyon who some are assuming would be replacement for Maddison. Only a rumour at this stage though. 

[Craig 6316]

Downie now reporting it too,
 

 

[spongebob toonpants 3621]

My spidey-senses tell me this one is a runner.

I've always hated him mind, going to have to do a swift 180

[Craig 6316]

Just now, spongebob toonpants said:

My spidey-senses tell me this one is a runner.

I've always hated him mind, going to have to do a swift 180

 

Yeah I get a sense this will happen.

I still think Paqueta will as well mind you, no science behind it just an inkling. I think he could be a deadline day marquee signing.

[Polarboy 2124]

The thing about players you hate is that 9 time out of 10 it's largely because they're very good players. 

[MrBass 2257]

The fact Sky are running with this one now bodes well.

[Monkeys Fist 38914]

3 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

The thing about players you hate is that 9 time out of 10 it's largely because they're very good players. 

 

UB40 did a song about him…