Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Everything you've written there, with the exception of appointment of execs, is the job of Eales and his team. The mistake PIF made was appointing him. I’ll politely disagree. If you have very large business, you don’t sit back and watch while it’s run poorly. I also suspect that Eales has very little control over things such as new training ground or stadium decisions. Most of the local reporters have said for sometime that bar Howe and infield stuff, the rest is pretty much a shit show. Stinks of lack of interest to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39291 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 11 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I’ll politely disagree. If you have very large business, you don’t sit back and watch while it’s run poorly. I also suspect that Eales has very little control over things such as new training ground or stadium decisions. Most of the local reporters have said for sometime that bar Howe and infield stuff, the rest is pretty much a shit show. Stinks of lack of interest to me. Do you understand how small NUFC is in the grand scheme of PIF? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 10624 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 I heard they lost interest when an influential Newcastle forum went repeatedly offline. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63312 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 13 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I’ll politely disagree. If you have very large business, you don’t sit back and watch while it’s run poorly. I also suspect that Eales has very little control over things such as new training ground or stadium decisions. Most of the local reporters have said for sometime that bar Howe and infield stuff, the rest is pretty much a shit show. Stinks of lack of interest to me. The local reporters are talking about the day to day management of the club, which isn't PIF's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said: I’ll politely disagree. If you have very large business, you don’t sit back and watch while it’s run poorly. I also suspect that Eales has very little control over things such as new training ground or stadium decisions. Most of the local reporters have said for sometime that bar Howe and infield stuff, the rest is pretty much a shit show. Stinks of lack of interest to me. Your patter on this could be straight from the SMB. PIF are the owners, the financers, they have nothing to do with the micromanagement of the club and probably little to with it's macromanagement either. I think they'll stay invested as they like to have a hugely diverse portfolio. The WC will cost them magnitudes more money but history tells us it will leave no legacy. The Saudi league will never hold a fraction of the interest the EPL will. They may also get their hands on golf or boxing, but these are not as globally popular as football and the EPL is the domestic pinnacle of that. Clearly, we have issues with PSR and problems at the boardroom level. But there is no evidence to me PIF are disengaging and going to asset strip us. Given our constraints, we've come on faster than any reasonable person could have expected. Edited July 25 by Renton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 10 minutes ago, ewerk said: Do you understand how small NUFC is in the grand scheme of PIF? Thats a pretty weak argument. My wife has always told me size doesn’t matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15612 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 14 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: I’ll politely disagree. If you have very large business, you don’t sit back and watch while it’s run poorly. I also suspect that Eales has very little control over things such as new training ground or stadium decisions. Most of the local reporters have said for sometime that bar Howe and infield stuff, the rest is pretty much a shit show. Stinks of lack of interest to me. That shitshow comes from the CEO, who should absolutely have been replaced by now, he's understandably likely distracted by his illness but no excuse he should gave gone at least 6 months ago and his appointment of Mitchell was a disaster all round. As for the major infrastructure stuff, that takes ages especially if you looking to work/build in the city centre plus any new training ground needs a very big slab of land being found/available. PIF's infrastucture blokey was recently appointed to the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: The local reporters are talking about the day to day management of the club, which isn't PIF's job. Of course it’s PIF’s job. They (along with Rueben) are the owners. If those tasked with running the day to day are not performing then it is their job to sort it out. And you can’t tell me that with Ruebens background, he couldn’t have had movement sorted on the new training ground before now. Honestly though, feel free to imagine they are fully invested and running “their’ club with as much enthusiasm as when they took over. It certainly appears the opposite to me and will remain so until proven otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 8367 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Don't agree with the idea that PIF have lost interest either. They are shareholders - they get updates from the club in the form of some sort of regular board meeting and will otherwise leave the executive to run the day to day, which is what they're employed to do. They may well have a series of concerns about how the club is being run presently, but they won't have access to the day to day information and operations unless they're specifically requesting it. I think a fairer picture of their view of the club isn't that they've lost interest, but that they've never intended for us to be a nuclear blast in the middle of football in the first place - instead, simply an ongoing concern that they hope to see grow and develop. I think they're doing fine overall, and they're likely pretty happy with things given the successes last season, but they're not going to be as in the weeds as we are about things that are happening on a daily basis. I also think we're being a bit hard on Eales in a way - my issue with him isn't that I think he's incompetent, it's that it feels like he's hamstrung by the reality that a lot of these big decisions about the future of the club with respect of stadiums and training grounds will not be things it makes sense for him to sign off on this close to having a new CEO come into the picture. Eales can likely make short term decisions that affect the day to day of the club, but not anything strategic and long term - because the new guy will have his own philosophy and goals. The issue isn't that Eales is a poor CEO, it's that it isn't appropriate for him to make some of these calls. We urgently need his successor in place to get things moving again. Just my view of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63312 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Of course it’s PIF’s job. They (along with Rueben) are the owners. If those tasked with running the day to day are not performing then it is their job to sort it out. And you can’t tell me that with Ruebens background, he couldn’t have had movement sorted on the new training ground before now. Honestly though, feel free to imagine they are fully invested and running “their’ club with as much enthusiasm as when they took over. It certainly appears the opposite to me and will remain so until proven otherwise. Ok well I'll do that, and you feel free to imagine that the PIF is responsible for the day to day management of the club, but also that's ridiculous and you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 10 minutes ago, Renton said: Your patter on this could be straight from the SMB. PIF are the owners, the financers, they have nothing to do with the micromanagement of the club and probably little to with it's micromanagement either. Utter tosh mate. Did you watch the documentary? Every thing Amanda did with regard to transfers involved a phone call to the PIF to get the ok. Do you honestly believe they intended to let the likes of Eales make decisions on multi million pound training ground investments or new grounds? Absolute fantasy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 27805 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Utter tosh mate. Did you watch the documentary? Every thing Amanda did with regard to transfers involved a phone call to the PIF to get the ok. Do you honestly believe they intended to let the likes of Eales make decisions on multi million pound training ground investments or new grounds? Absolute fantasy stuff. PIF may have to sanction big deals but they're not the brokers or negotiators man! Do you believe we bid for Etikite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63312 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Utter tosh mate. Did you watch the documentary? Every thing Amanda did with regard to transfers involved a phone call to the PIF to get the ok. Do you honestly believe they intended to let the likes of Eales make decisions on multi million pound training ground investments or new grounds? Absolute fantasy stuff. The Board will approve the decisions, but Eales is responsible for running the project. I work for a bank that is owned by a US investment company, and that is EXACTLY how it works. If we want to acquire another bank, we get approval from the Board, but the work to make it happen is the job of the employees, headed up by the CEO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, Renton said: PIF may have to sanction big deals but they're not the brokers or negotiators man! Do you believe we bid for Etikite? I’ve no idea where you are trying to go with this, my viewpoint is pretty straightforward that we are no longer the interesting project they originally signed up for and their lack of continued interest is plain for the many reasons I have already stated. Nothing much else to add really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, Gemmill said: The Board will approve the decisions, but Eales is responsible for running the project. I work for a bank that is owned by a US investment company, and that is EXACTLY how it works. If we want to acquire another bank, we get approval from the Board, but the work to make it happen is the job of the employees, headed up by the CEO. And if you and the CEO were performing poorly you would be out of the door, pronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 4598 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 5 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: I mean we all hold all the cards. Yes he can strop and all that, but there is no reason we have to roll over and have our tummies tickled. If Liverpool want him then they have to pay what we demand. We may hold all the cards but at this point who at the club is actually playing those cards? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63312 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Just now, Christmas Tree said: And if you and the CEO were performing poorly you would be out of the door, pronto. exactly. Hence "and the mistakes PIF have made is in their executive appointments". If you're not careful, I'm gonna have to gift you one of your cunt mugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42160 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 CT may be playing devil’s advocate here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 6704 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 21 minutes ago, Gemmill said: exactly. Hence "and the mistakes PIF have made is in their executive appointments". If you're not careful, I'm gonna have to gift you one of your cunt mugs. And now, pub night is near, and so I face, your final question. My friend, I'll say it clear, I've made my case, of which I'm certain. I've heard, a lot of shit, I've explored each and every Segway, and now, the beer calls, I simply can’t stay. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 63312 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: And now, pub night is near, and so I face, your final question. My friend, I'll say it clear, I've made my case, of which I'm certain. I've heard, a lot of shit, I've explored each and every Segway, and now, the beer calls, I simply can’t stay. x @thebrokendoll 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 43967 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Christmas Tree said: No fans pub Etfuckingcetra. Highly suss that an amazing business set up such as PIF can tolerate such shoddiness. PSR has resulted in their acquisition not being the golden sports washing move they hoped for and we look as though we have been left to tickover. Only the brilliance of Howe has papered over the situation. yP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 50772 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Alex said: CT may be playing devil’s advocate here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 14299 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Toonpack said: That shitshow comes from the CEO, who should absolutely have been replaced by now, he's understandably likely distracted by his illness but no excuse he should gave gone at least 6 months ago and his appointment of Mitchell was a disaster all round. As for the major infrastructure stuff, that takes ages especially if you looking to work/build in the city centre plus any new training ground needs a very big slab of land being found/available. PIF's infrastucture blokey was recently appointed to the board. if he's really poorly he should fuck off on the sick. or pack his job in and enjoy what time he has left with what I'm sure is a reasonably healthy bank account. what he shouldn't do is hang about nufc being a complete and utter waste of fucking of incompetent space. the cunt. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22515 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 One thing that has occured to me... If what Hope has said is accurate did Mitchell jump because he knew he'd made an absolute cunt of one of the most important negotiations in the club's history? Did he realise that one of the best 4 or 5 players any of us have seen play for us was leaving at the end of the season and he knew he was mostly responsible for it? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28572 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 18 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: One thing that has occured to me... If what Hope has said is accurate did Mitchell jump because he knew he'd made an absolute cunt of one of the most important negotiations in the club's history? Did he realise that one of the best 4 or 5 players any of us have seen play for us was leaving at the end of the season and he knew he was mostly responsible for it? I suggested that and was immediately shot down by the Guru of the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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