Alexander Isak

[Kid Dynamite 9341]

20 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

The only other scenario is that Isak refuses to play but that’s playing career roulette, especially with World Cup year coming up.

 

I’m sure the righteous bin dippers would be up in arms about such behaviour from an incoming player, as they boo’d TAA for simply running is contract down.

He would be in breach of contract then 

[Rayvin 8366]

In a way, I still feel for him. If you look at the timing of his fiasco around this it's clear that our complete inability to land anyone at all has had an impact on this. The lad wants to compete and kick on but can't see Newcastle getting there quickly enough - and if that is his view, he's fucking right about how this summer has gone. We've been shambolic. Was just after we failed on Ekitike I think that he pulled the trigger on the whole thing. Ekitike maybe not our fault tbh, but the others? Pedro it sounds like got Mitchell'd, Trafford got Mitchell'd,  Mbuemo we didn't even bother in the end, Delap we were slow... we have been absolute shit and I really suspect he's just had enough of waiting for the mismanagement at the top to get its act together.

 

Ultimately the whole thing just shows that Howe isn't enough - no manager, no matter how good, would be enough. We need the commercials to compete for these names in the paypacket or we just aren't ever going to make it.

[trooper 1058]

When they put the bid in, it seems the quickfire response would have been something like "Sod Off & don't come back as we're never selling him to you lot"

[wykikitoon 28557]

[Craig 12386]

https://twitter.com/halliday_9/status/1951355588333428738?s=46&t=z2j8swpKHKggwsIUQJsACw
 

[Daftarse 72]

After reading  Liverpools  announcement that they are "dropping out" of bidding for Isak, I see that they have dropped their interest in players before, the sneaky underhand bastards

[Ayatollah Hermione 17238]

If we can ride this out and he stays as a Newcastle player, it feels like quite a sea change for how we operate as a football club. For so many years, we were a selling club and if we can fend off interest from these cunts and actually leverage our position of strength, it hopefully lets everyone else know that we’re not the old NUFC anymore 

[ewerk 39242]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

The various talking heads online seem to be claiming that this is a "classic negotiation technique". They bid low then walk away when we say no, only to come back later once we apparently realise that we have to sell the player no matter what at the end of August  Not sure about that one like. We don't particularly need the money right now and selling him with no replacement is largely the same as him refusing to play as far as our season goes - and realistically I doubt it comes to that anyway.

 

As you say, we don’t need to sell. This has clearly gone to PIF and their decision was that we don’t sell. I hope that Isak is reintegrated into the side but if not then fuck him. Newcastle United is and always will be bigger than Alexander Isak.

[Christmas Tree 6697]

So then. What happens next?

 

I strongly hope the club refuse to sell if replacements are not there first, but what happens if he refuses to turn up next week.

 

Do the club start legal proceedings or do we meekly ring Liverpool up and beg them to take him .

[OTF 10615]

If he's not sold I have every confidence he will be able to refocus on trying to get back to his best personal performance. It's the type of personality he appears to have. What I'm not so sure of is whether he will be treated the same by the player group and the supporters. Of course we're not privy to the exact way in which events have transpired, and what has been said behind closed doors so we're being 'informed' by objective-laden media and tight lipped comments from Howe.

[OTF 10615]

6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

So then. What happens next?

 

I strongly hope the club refuse to sell if replacements are not there first, but what happens if he refuses to turn up next week.

 

That won't happen.

[Andrew 7482]

I can't see him refusing to turn up next week, preseason stuff is one thing but the club have to some extent sanctioned him not coming along.

Training for the proper season to begin is different. Liverpools bid is so far off what even their pet journos have been briefing it would take to get the deal done that I think this is it for this summer. They're not planning to actually get him this summer, its groundwork for it to happen next year.

 

I see the following things happening from now.

Isak returns to the club, trains and doesn't start until September after the window closes.

He sacks his agents and ends up with an agency that actually deals with superstars. There is PR about him being poorly advised through the summer.

 

He signs a new deal in mid september or october on improved wages with an actual release clause in it.

 

He has a good season once hes back in the team, especially in the CL, has a good world cup after which Robert Lewandowski retires and he goes to Barcelona

 

[Rayvin 8366]

10 minutes ago, OTF said:

If he's not sold I have every confidence he will be able to refocus on trying to get back to his best personal performance. It's the type of personality he appears to have. What I'm not so sure of is whether he will be treated the same by the player group and the supporters. Of course we're not privy to the exact way in which events have transpired, and what has been said behind closed doors so we're being 'informed' by objective-laden media and tight lipped comments from Howe.

 

There's some suggestion that the players are trying to talk him down, which suggests bridges aren't fully burned yet. Also some nutjobs have noted there's a private jet chartered to fly from Sociedad to Newcastle tomorrow..

[Dougle 4598]

9 minutes ago, Andrew said:

I can't see him refusing to turn up next week, preseason stuff is one thing but the club have to some extent sanctioned him not coming along.

Training for the proper season to begin is different. Liverpools bid is so far off what even their pet journos have been briefing it would take to get the deal done that I think this is it for this summer. They're not planning to actually get him this summer, its groundwork for it to happen next year.

 

I see the following things happening from now.

Isak returns to the club, trains and doesn't start until September after the window closes.

He sacks his agents and ends up with an agency that actually deals with superstars. There is PR about him being poorly advised through the summer.

 

He signs a new deal in mid september or october on improved wages with an actual release clause in it.

 

He has a good season once hes back in the team, especially in the CL, has a good world cup after which Robert Lewandowski retires and he goes to Barcelona

 

 

Optimistic stuff and I hope you are correct, but I think the lad is fked at this club now.

What was that Scottish striker called again, the short lad?

I don’t think Eddie likes to be messed around with

[Andrew 7482]

3 minutes ago, Dougle said:

 

Optimistic stuff and I hope you are correct, but I think the lad is fked at this club now.

 

What was that Scottish striker called again, the short lad?

 

I don’t think Eddie likes to be messed around with

 

True, but drumming out ryan fraser is a bit different to choosing whether or not to reintegrate one of the best strikers in the world that the club values at 150 million tbf.

[Dougle 4598]

6 minutes ago, Andrew said:

True, but drumming out ryan fraser is a bit different to choosing whether or not to reintegrate one of the best strikers in the world that the club values at 150 million tbf.

 

More than correct, But I was really just referring to the way Eddie seems to deal with stuff like this, regardless as to the stature of the player (pun intended) 

[Monkeys Fist 50750]

I can’t see the club putting out the conciliatory spin of him being badly advised without Howe’s explicit approval. 
 

I hope he’s put in against the WP’s and we fucking hammmer them. 
 

I also hope, as I said a while back, that the numpty element of our crowd don’t even think about giving him any grief. 
 

We need to hit the ground running this season, and mount a credible challenge for title*, to show him ( and others in the squad), that we aren’t here just to make up the numbers. 

 

 

*I’d have laughed in my own face at this idea not too long ago, but Mr. Howe continues to piss on low expectations and timelines- we actually won a fucking cup last season! 
We showed Liverpool, and everyone else, that they are far from unbeatable - if we can improve our results against the also-rans this season, why shouldn’t we be looking to the top?

[Rayvin 8366]

I just can't shake the idea that we wouldn't overbid for Sesko unless Isak was moving, but I badly want to believe in the alternative...

[Andrew 7482]

7 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I just can't shake the idea that we wouldn't overbid for Sesko unless Isak was moving, but I badly want to believe in the alternative...

What makes you say overbid?

 

Hes younger than Ekitike and has a better overall scoring record than him, they're certainly comparable.

[Rayvin 8366]

1 minute ago, Andrew said:

What makes you say overbid?

 

Hes younger than Ekitike and has a better overall scoring record than him, they're certainly comparable.

 

Only that the link KD shared suggested that we had won the day by simply brute forcing it on both fee and contract.

 

I agree on Sesko generally, I'm a big fan of the deal tbh

[Kitman 2869]

I think this has all been carefully choreographed by LFC. They've tapped him up and agreed personal terms long ago. They're prepared to pay 120 mill but not 150. So they wait until late in the window after having advised Izak to go on strike. Then they put in lowball bid, Izak tells club he will not play for them again and will take the club to court to get contract annulled rather than put on a black and white shirt. After he's gone nuclear LFC come back at end of the window and say okay we'll give you 120 mill final offer. At that point we have the choice between a player on strike or 120 mill. Carefully briefed media up in arms about us being unreasonable bullies etc etc

 

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like we've been outplayed at every turn here. If we have no intention pf selling we should go on front foot - no bid will be accepted, Izak will be reintegrated, LFC will be reported for tapping up. Even if we want to sell we should say 150 mill is the price or no deal.

[Kitman 2869]

Also we should offer Izak a new contract with better pay and a buy out clause and leak the details to the press

[Andrew 7482]

15 minutes ago, Kitman said:

I think this has all been carefully choreographed by LFC. They've tapped him up and agreed personal terms long ago. They're prepared to pay 120 mill but not 150. So they wait until late in the window after having advised Izak to go on strike. Then they put in lowball bid, Izak tells club he will not play for them again and will take the club to court to get contract annulled rather than put on a black and white shirt. After he's gone nuclear LFC come back at end of the window and say okay we'll give you 120 mill final offer. At that point we have the choice between a player on strike or 120 mill. Carefully briefed media up in arms about us being unreasonable bullies etc etc

 

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like we've been outplayed at every turn here. If we have no intention pf selling we should go on front foot - no bid will be accepted, Izak will be reintegrated, LFC will be reported for tapping up. Even if we want to sell we should say 150 mill is the price or no deal.

There is less than 0 chance that this will happen.

I dont think we've been outplayed as if liverpool are some machiavellian force of nature at all.

I think they've tapped Isak up illegally, Isak himself has been terribly advised, they've paid a fortune out to "journalists" to brief constantly to the public that Isak is desperate to leave thinking that Isaks actions would lower the price and then they've come into the room with their dicks in hand and been told to fuck off.

I genuinely think our unwillingness to play along when they put int their insult of an offer has taken them by surprise. Everyone else they've dealt with this summer has played along, we haven't.

They've "We're liverpeeeel football club lah?"'d themselves into a corner. If we do get Isak to agree a new deal with a release clause they're fucked next summer because there will be a public price for one of the best players in the world and there will be more than just themselves trying to sign him.

Then with Barca or Bayern or PSG in the mix we'll find out just how much Isak "insists on liverpool" as that cunt romano puts it.

[Andrew 7482]

Either that or we get Sesko and Wissa and then tell them they can have him for 150.

We've kept quiet and flushed out the fact that if they're bringing 110 to the table they either can't afford him or dont value him as much as they've said they do.

[Kitman 2869]

I hope you're right Andrew. If Izak decides to go on strike then we have to stand firm and stare him down. In fact we should have told him that already and counter offered so he has more to lose