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It appears Rob Reiner and his wife have been murdered by their son. Awful

Absolute hero.

Yeah, mate. Agreed. I had that inkling as I was typing out the above that perhaps my detachment (as a non-Geordie NUFC supporter (of 30 years but still not a Geordie)) means that I fail to fully appreciate the frustration at Howe's tactics and its contribution to the result. I can definitely appreciate that it should be win at all costs and not about holding something back because of match load and what have you when it comes to derbies. That's perfectly legitimate. It's how I treat all sporting events against the English. Football (and sport) is about emotion at the end of the day. Derbies and old rivalries are a big part of that. Hopefully next time, we set out the fucking thump them and leave nothing to chance.

PS Happy belated birthday Gem

I agree with this but am going to add that the one area I think people can and do have legitimate grievance with Howe is that his approach to games like this is much the same as mine, on a philosophical level. To him, it's just another game. He understands that some of our fans care more about it than most games, but he doesn't really think it's that important in the overall scheme of his ambitions for himself and the club. He prioritises glory and success over the parochial elements - so yes, I can see him taking an approach such as you've laid out, 100%. But it's going to rub the fans up the wrong way because seemingly some of us would rather beat the mackems than progress in the cup, or whatever the tradeoff might have otherwise been.

I might have strayed from the general consensus here but I don't fault Howe's tactics. We could've beaten them one of umpteen different ways and I think that Howe chose to go with the way that conserved the most amount of energy. I can understand that rationale given the amount of important games we have coming up. I blame the players, entirely. It was a tactic designed to nullify their attack and capitalize on their poor press and porous midfield to create chances in attack. We did the first and had ample opportunities to do the second and failed miserably every single time. I can completely concede that, having lost, losing that way looks weak and pathetic like we showed them respect, etc., but I actually think it was the opposite. Yes, we could've won it another way. Yes, in hindsight, we should've done it differently. But I think Howe reasoned, these are so shit that we can play the whole game in second gear, conserve energy for other matches, and hit them on the break since they're too naive to not press us with their dogshit press. He was right. For me, it's the players who let him down shockingly.

Give him a Cross of Valour.

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For me the tactical decision to sit back was a mistake. Elanga and Gordon may be quick but they're far from prolific and have given no indication that they can work well together. It gave them copious amounts of the ball with time on it which built their confidence. Though they did next to nothing with it it still gave them the momentum to eventually mount the slightest bit of pressure which resulted in one of the worst OGs you're likely to see. When we subsequently made some substitutions we instantly looked better and more cohesive. But the damage was done, they were in the lead, full of confidence flying high at home. It was a tall ask to overcome it. I feel like instead of playing to our strengths Howe tried to focus on their weaknesses, despite us not possessing the personnel to take advantage of them. Hindsight is always 20/20 but a player like Woltemade was almost useless for most of the game. They marshalled Tonali well and used fouls effectively to stop us getting any momentum early on. But truth is that whilst they weren't very good we were clearly worse.

£55 million. How much did that bunch of cunts that humbled the fuck out of us today cost in total?

Elanga is fucking shite and isn’t getting any better Murphy whilst not perfect normally puts a wicked cross in most times and has a few decent shots at goal. I hope Wissa is fully fit for midweek as he’ll offer more around the box like Calum Wilson used to do

Don't disagreebut some our players simply need to start playing up to their reputations, most aren't.

agree but that can’t be an excuse forever. The big clubs find a way to do it. Emery’s doing a great job at it this season and narrowly missed out on the CL places last season despite going deep in that competition. This is Howe’s second season in the CL. He has to figure out a way to make it work quickly for his sake

Yeah am I fuck watching any of the media coverage about this. No thanks.

safe to say theres more chance of me watching a re-run of the results show than there is of tuning in to match of the day.

But enough about Strictly!

We've been giving possession away a lot this season.

Wait a minute...... PaddockLad is SCOTTISH?!

im not bothered in the slightest about their shit town, whether or not they're obsessed with us, their new found human rights moral high ground or any other bollocks. I'm very bothered by that abomination I watched today.

not just the final ball. we gave them possession in our defensive third on countless occasions, especially first half. a half decent team would've given us a proper fucking hiding today.

Aye, they live to beat us. Where has that got them? Would you swap places? They're absolutely obsessed to the extent we define them. Of course I want to beat the cunts more than any other team, but logically it didn't look likely to happen today. I'll be pissed off if we don't do them at home mind.

The set peice coach needs an instant dismissal btw

really. we haven't beat the cunts in 10 top flight outings man. that's shameful, pitiful and fucking embarrassing. we never laid a glove on them today, every cunt on that pitch should be ashamed of themselves.