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Looks like we have to create a reverse gazump thread https://talksport.com/football/3338134/newcastle-aston-villa-anthony-elanga-nottingham-forest-transfer-news/

The french relative of Essembee while wearing a "useless Joe" shirt he got from his English cousin.

Wouldn't really fancy getting pegged off anyone, but hey ho, live and let live

Agreed about Starmer tbf but we could stop supplying arms. Instead we're branding the people trying to prevent planes going over there as terrorists. I don't think any sort of genuine de-escalation is even possible anymore tbh, the hatred will span generations. Maybe if Netanyahu answered for war crimes but I don't think he values the peace and safety of his own people enough for that.

I actually think the amount Starmer can influence Netanyahu is negligible but I take your point. The issue is Trump. Netanyahu won’t stop until Trump tells him to but sadly he has his biggest cheerleader in the White House. Biden was fucking senile in his last year as president and should never have ran again but I’m convinced we wouldn’t be where we are today with a democratic president in the White House. Bibi upped the stakes before the election and doubled down after Trump started his second term knowing he’d have his support.

There has been in the past - e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61943613 - but it's true (if grim and sad) that there seems to be a degree of "conflict fatigue" where Ukraine is concerned, yes.

We still live in a country with separation of powers so I won’t blame the government for the outcome even if their reaction has been identical to that of the right.

It will be whatever the government decides it is in the end. I'm wondering if they might be about to use this to make a show of going after left leaning people and putting them in prison same as they did for the hotel burning fiasco.

Criticism of Israel does not equal antisemitism. Chanting death of the IDF isn’t antisemitism. Chanting death to the IDF is however most likely a crime in this country but not antisemitic. It is probably wrong and I did think of the likes of Gloom’s conscripted family when I read about it. Bibi seems to liken any criticism of the Israeli government’s actions to antisemitism and it couldn’t be further from the truth but it has worked for him. The likes of Bob Vylan and Kneecap know they aren’t making a difference by making a stand but it keeps it in the public eye when the UK government appears to be doing fuck all about it.

I get that for sure. I would throw into the mix as well though that the UK supports Israel whereas it doesn't support Russia - so there's a domestic angle to it there. There's not much more anyone can do than what we're doing with the Ukraine, the government supports them and is assisting them - Russia doesn't give a shit if we protest them but Israel does actually on some level respond to international pressure. So arguably people's energy is actually better spent on Gaza than it is on Ukraine. I think if people's feeds were full of dead and dying Ukrainian children it'd be different though, tbh.

Sadly I think both the media and the politicians determine which atrocities matter more based on the impact it'd have on ourselves. Genocide is genocide whether it's Israeli, Palestinian, Rwandan, German, Yugoslavian, Russian, Ukrainian, etc.

Those are some of the most criminal trousers I’ve ever seen that’s before you pair it with the Geordie Dancer shoes and sock combo

Yeah, I’ve seen them, which is why my position changed from where I was after October 7, where I could see why Israel needed to retaliate, to where it is today after the assault on Gaza intensified. I’m not here to defend what Israel is doing. I’ve also seen similar harrowing videos coming out of Ukraine, the forgotten genocide. Maybe it’s my Jewish paranoia but it appears to me that some genocides matter more than others

I think a lot of what people struggle with is that they're seeing images of children being shot dead coming from Israel's situation. I've not seen anything like that from Ukraine for a long time. I know a girl living out in Ukraine atm and life sounds horrendous but at the same time they're just about hanging on. I send her some money each month to try to help, my own personal attempt to alleviate just a little of the agony. I don't do that with anyone in Gaza as I don't know anyone personally, so I would contend that I'm more invested in that conflict than this one. For what it's worth, I see Russia as a greater issue than Israel. But Gloom, for real man, idk if you see the videos that do the rounds coming out of Gaza... they're all over reddit, and they are beyond harrowing, sometimes involving IDF servicemen calling for all Palestinians to be murdered like animals etc. Maybe the Palestinians are just better at social media, maybe the videos are faked, dunno. But that's the context for a lot of this.

Yeah it was the imperial version and someone pointed out Koreans find it offensive.

obviously things have moved on since the 80s - that’s progress. The point is, were you to call for the death of someone - or some group of people - on stage today, you’re getting nicked.

Was probably the imperial version of the flag but I wish it had've been Bruce Jr moaning about the bacon quip.

I’ll say it again. I thought Kneecap were class. I like their music and have zero problem with their solidarity with Palestinian people. I found the number of Palestinian flags in their crowd and the chants of “free Palestine” quite moving. It did make me think about your comment about how we picked sides however, @Rayvin. Trump is with Russia, not Ukraine, but Europe is supposed to be on Ukraine’s side too. I’m always struck by how that particular genocide doesn’t inspire the same level of solidarity here in the UK. I didn’t spot a single Ukraine flag during any performance at Glastonbury. Nor did I hear any artists lead any rousing chants of “Slava Ukraine”, despite Netanyahu’s tactics of siege and starvation coming straight out of Putin’s playbook.

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I’m utterly convinced that there’s a secret selection process at the end of training where they put the sexy wenches in to the most embarrassing department’s and the plain Jane’s and boilers get put in the dept’s where you can keep your dignity. “ Oh, Mr. PL, your face looks like a badly topped meat feast pizza, and I see you need a prostate exam too? Follow Nurse Trixie Fox and she’ll utterly destroy any self esteem you once had. “ You need a foot x-Ray? Gunhilde here will be glad to take care of you, just try not to look at her face for too long.”

They probably didn’t want to air it in other Asian countries.

I guess where Gloom is coming from here is a lot of the IDF are conscripted and some of them are members of his own family. Which is totally understandable of course

Why on earth did a Japanese flag cause offence...

You know, I'm pretty sure such sentiment was quite common at gigs in the 80s. I don't know if technically then it was a hate crime but no-one was getting arrested for it.