Rayvin

West Ham don't look massively arsed here, if I'm honest. Could just be waiting for us to tire though, I suppose.

True. It took until the day of possible relegation for that to happen, but true.

We just so aren't going to win this.

Cisse playing though, that's positive at least.

And with that Carver has forfeited the game. All eyes on Man Utd now...

Yep, me too in truth; but not everyone on here sees the positives of relegation and I think it'll be easiest for all concerned on that front to go into this with very little hope. This is not a club that rewards the hopeful.

I think it might be easiest to just accept that we're going down and consider that anything else is a bonus.

Agreed - if they got trending on twitter it might make a difference. This isn't how it should happen though, it shouldn't be down to corporate pressure that FIFA and the FA pull the plug on this shit, it should be a decision taken as a group of human beings. It's utterly appalling.

McClaren has refused to resign... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/22/steve-mclaren-resign-manager-derby-county

That is ancient... ...but still awesome

The relegation itself? No. Performing poorly enough to actually get relegated? That probably does.

Can't say I hold out much hope for the sit in.. the media's cameras will move on as soon as the game ends, so who are we really visible to?

But does your acknowledgement of a general increase mitigating the difference not mean that there is at least an opportunity cost, even if it's not realised in an actual salary decrease? For instance, if these players had been preforming to a higher level, and had not been relegated, then they would have been able to secure higher wages than they could move to if the club went bust. Otherwise, I suppose I understand the balance of the rest of the point...but then, even if a player can choose another PL club, it's not like Tiote is going to be able to get his move to Arsenal, or that PSG are going to come calling for Sissoko - they're more likely to get picked up by Stoke now. It does have an effect.

Aren't there actual guidelines on that? Presumably whoever decided which league FC United of Manchester started in.

She might have been, you never know.

Touché.

That's Boba Fett rather than a storm trooper mind, whoever named that gif needs shooting.

Mako, I agree with more of your points than most on here (I think there's been one so far) but Fish is right with this IMO. If the player is in a team that goes down, it would severely weaken his hand in negotiations with other clubs, especially if he wanted to remain a PL player. Granted there may be some exceptions where a bidding war triggers, but ultimately this is quite a rare occurrence. At least that's how I see it. I do actually kind of get your wider point about players not taking responsibility for their failure, but that's not the world we live in. If my company went bust tomorrow due to generally poor working practices of the staff, myself included, I would very likely be looking at a lower paid job to begin with, even if I was employed immediately.

the fuck are you doing to my posts? You're messing with my mojo dude...you're all up in my chi. That last bit just sounds like something he'd say.

Credit where it's due on that one

The FA are just as complicit as FIFA now IMO. They've had ample opportunity to pull out and have failed to do so. They know exactly what's going on.

Happy Birthday mate!