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I hoped he would spend it, that said Ba for nowt (in transfer fee) and him reducing his exposure (if he has, as I suspect) as opposed to Ruiz for £10 Mill, for example, is perfectly fine, in fact it's even better. so what about the other 30m or whatever ? Where is that ? In view of the fact they picked up Ba for a good fee and he looks an extremely good buy and footballer, don't you agree that other positions could have been strengthened using this foolproof scouting system employed, which is what a progressive club would do, especially if they had confidence in their scouts ? See post #40 and try and comprehend what you are reading. BTW, Looking forward to your disection of Shinton's post. When some on here (me included) post similar to much of that you'd be over it like a rash answer the question. I did (post #40) Re strengthening, we strengthened immeasurably in the summer btw. The ONLY position people were bleating about was another striker, but BA has put that to bed to a point, although a better quality back up for him would be a nice addition in January. no you didn't. You said they bought Ba, what about the other 30m quid ? I'm not asking you again, my question is clear enough. We also did not strengthen immeasurably in the summer, and the ONLY position people were bleating about was not another striker. Again, if you are happy with that summer [that makes about 2 out of 10 transfer windows so far is it ?] it only shows your low expectations and demands. The injuries we have are now going to ram this point home, when James Perch has to come on, and we have 3 members of a back 4 consisting of Danny Simpson, James perch and Ryan Taylor, it only shows you are easily pleased and the transfer window was way short of what a progressive club would be looking to bring into their team. Fuck you are thick The Carroll money, post #40 in language you may understand: Mike Ashley sold Carroll for a geet big cake, he cut up the cake, some of the slices of cake he gave to to club to eat, the rest he kept himself (I believe, but not yet proven) to replace some (not all) of the numerous catering packs of Mr Kiplings he'd previously given to the club. Striker/bleating - yes it fucking was. Injuries - when you're down to 4th/5th choice everyone would be plumbing the depths. No-one has "quality" 4th and 5th choice anything. The back four has included Simpson and Taylor all year and has performed better than just about every back four in the country, a good back four is a unit and is often greater than the sum of it's parts, it's down to coaching and discipline and a bit of class. I would suggest Colo is the class (or glue that holds it together, if you prefer). Who are these quality 4th and 5th choice CB's we should have bought ?????

Absolutely the right attitude that, especially the bit in bold, irrespective of whether you like the owner or not, or think he's doing it the right way or not, it's something we should all be able to agree on (or most of us anyway). It's right though and I don't see the point in worrying about players leaving, in fact the way we've been scouting players over the past few years I feel confident that we could do a good job of replacing them anyway, I can remember people worried about Baye leaving but who gives him a second thought now? Or Given, or Nolan. Some players have left that have bothered me like Enrique but it happens with all clubs, others have gone and we've not only replaced them but improved too with their replacements. I feel similar about our scouting network as I did about Arsenal's a decade or so ago in that we've been able to sell what is considered our stars and replace them for less money while attempting to improve. That's the penny you won't get to drop in Leazes-world you and Baggio have another thing in common. Neither of you go to games, in the real world. You see, that's also irrelevant. In the days when the only way to see the game was to go, you would have had a point on the validity of comments. Actually not going but seeing all the games on a TV gives a much better perspective than "being there", it's also less time consuming, warm and convivial. No objectionable comments or inhaling of unwanted beer farts from some scruffy pissed twat, it's bliss man. everybody who goes to games is a scruffy pissed twat ? Now you are really showing your ignorance. And where did I say that exactly errrr....... Comprehension again Please show where I said "everyone who goes to the games is a scruffy pissed twat"

I hoped he would spend it, that said Ba for nowt (in transfer fee) and him reducing his exposure (if he has, as I suspect) as opposed to Ruiz for £10 Mill, for example, is perfectly fine, in fact it's even better. so what about the other 30m or whatever ? Where is that ? In view of the fact they picked up Ba for a good fee and he looks an extremely good buy and footballer, don't you agree that other positions could have been strengthened using this foolproof scouting system employed, which is what a progressive club would do, especially if they had confidence in their scouts ? See post #40 and try and comprehend what you are reading. BTW, Looking forward to your disection of Shinton's post. When some on here (me included) post similar to much of that you'd be over it like a rash answer the question. I did (post #40) Re strengthening, we strengthened immeasurably in the summer btw. The ONLY position people were bleating about was another striker, but BA has put that to bed to a point, although a better quality back up for him would be a nice addition in January.

Absolutely the right attitude that, especially the bit in bold, irrespective of whether you like the owner or not, or think he's doing it the right way or not, it's something we should all be able to agree on (or most of us anyway). It's right though and I don't see the point in worrying about players leaving, in fact the way we've been scouting players over the past few years I feel confident that we could do a good job of replacing them anyway, I can remember people worried about Baye leaving but who gives him a second thought now? Or Given, or Nolan. Some players have left that have bothered me like Enrique but it happens with all clubs, others have gone and we've not only replaced them but improved too with their replacements. I feel similar about our scouting network as I did about Arsenal's a decade or so ago in that we've been able to sell what is considered our stars and replace them for less money while attempting to improve. That's the penny you won't get to drop in Leazes-world you and Baggio have another thing in common. Neither of you go to games, in the real world. You see, that's also irrelevant. In the days when the only way to see the game was to go, you would have had a point on the validity of comments. Actually not going but seeing all the games on a TV gives a much better perspective than "being there", it's also less time consuming, warm and convivial. No objectionable comments or inhaling of unwanted beer farts from some scruffy pissed twat, it's bliss man. everybody who goes to games is a scruffy pissed twat ? Now you are really showing your ignorance. And where did I say that exactly

I hoped he would spend it, that said Ba for nowt (in transfer fee) and him reducing his exposure (if he has, as I suspect) as opposed to Ruiz for £10 Mill, for example, is perfectly fine, in fact it's even better. so what about the other 30m or whatever ? Where is that ? In view of the fact they picked up Ba for a good fee and he looks an extremely good buy and footballer, don't you agree that other positions could have been strengthened using this foolproof scouting system employed, which is what a progressive club would do, especially if they had confidence in their scouts ? See post #40 and try and comprehend what you are reading. BTW, Looking forward to your disection of Shinton's post. When some on here (me included) post similar to much of that you'd be over it like a rash

Not sure what you mean by that. If we win, then it shows we have depth but if we lose, we lack depth? Yet the depth of a squad is not affected by a result. I think you mean its a test of the quality we have in depth. In which case i agree. We could be playing our 4th and 5th Choices at CH, with the added likely disruption to the full back position(s), plus our 3rd choice holding midfielder. When you get down in that area of a squad it would be a challenge for anyone. It's a test of the squad to a depth you would rarely ordinarily get to tbh, you're basically playing your 4th choice "heart of the team" how often does that happen. Our 3rd choice CB is shite though. As a 3rd choice, he's not. We thought our whole defence (as a unit) was likley to be shite before the season, events proved otherwise. Either way the 4th and 5th choice CBs are full-backs which is unforgivable imo. Especially when money was available from the Carroll windfall. I wouldn't expect you to agree like but I reckon most would. Have a word man! So we should have bought two new 4th and 5th choice CB's How many teams have "quality" 4th and 5th choice anything. At that level into a squad you are into the kids (in a non sexual way) unless a more senior pro, out of position (in the managers opinion) is a better option.

Bit more often that that I reckon, care in the community has a lot to answer for.

Not sure what you mean by that. If we win, then it shows we have depth but if we lose, we lack depth? Yet the depth of a squad is not affected by a result. I think you mean its a test of the quality we have in depth. In which case i agree. We could be playing our 4th and 5th Choices at CH, with the added likely disruption to the full back position(s), plus our 3rd choice holding midfielder. When you get down in that area of a squad it would be a challenge for anyone. It's a test of the squad to a depth you would rarely ordinarily get to tbh, you're basically playing your 4th choice "heart of the team" how often does that happen. Our 3rd choice CB is shite though. As a 3rd choice, he's not. We thought our whole defence (as a unit) was likley to be shite before the season, events proved otherwise.

That's because he's victimised and gets no protection, bless him

I'm waiting for Leazes to refute/critique Shinton's post. He won't like, the thread will sink like a stone now.

With the injuries and especially if Colo is out (and I hope he's not risked if not 100%) any positive result would be an excellent achievement.

in the long term chum, the top half of the league is considered success by your man, which is exactly my point. His sidekick has said so, and the setup of the club is such that this is the highest aim. Only people who don't spend their cash on the club and watch it on TV will be ultimately happy with that, people who go to games will drift away, and a dozen games doesn't change that one iota. Why refer to him as my man? The question was where do you, Leazes Mag, consider as being also ran?? setting survival as your aim, and mid table as success ? Selling your best players and pocketing the cash ? That may be fine for small clubs like Bolton, Blackburn etc, but not Newcastle. That is the actions of also rans, with limited ambitions, and small 20000 stadiums, struggling to fill them, and accepting you are unable to challenge the other major clubs, this is the mindset Mike Ashley has imposed on many of you, most of whom don't go to games so you accept it more readily. I really don't know why I'm trying to explain this to you again. Ignoramus please show us again, the superior league positions etc achieved by your man in the last 4 years to the previous owners ?

Well said The prosecution rests m'lud

I hoped he would spend it, that said Ba for nowt (in transfer fee) and him reducing his exposure (if he has, as I suspect) as opposed to Ruiz for £10 Mill, for example, is perfectly fine, in fact it's even better.

Absolutely the right attitude that, especially the bit in bold, irrespective of whether you like the owner or not, or think he's doing it the right way or not, it's something we should all be able to agree on (or most of us anyway). It's right though and I don't see the point in worrying about players leaving, in fact the way we've been scouting players over the past few years I feel confident that we could do a good job of replacing them anyway, I can remember people worried about Baye leaving but who gives him a second thought now? Or Given, or Nolan. Some players have left that have bothered me like Enrique but it happens with all clubs, others have gone and we've not only replaced them but improved too with their replacements. I feel similar about our scouting network as I did about Arsenal's a decade or so ago in that we've been able to sell what is considered our stars and replace them for less money while attempting to improve. That's the penny you won't get to drop in Leazes-world you and Baggio have another thing in common. Neither of you go to games, in the real world. You see, that's also irrelevant. In the days when the only way to see the game was to go, you would have had a point on the validity of comments. Actually not going but seeing all the games on a TV gives a much better perspective than "being there", it's also less time consuming, warm and convivial. No objectionable comments or inhaling of unwanted beer farts from some scruffy pissed twat, it's bliss man.

in the long term chum, the top half of the league is considered success by your man, which is exactly my point. His sidekick has said so, and the setup of the club is such that this is the highest aim. Only people who don't spend their cash on the club and watch it on TV will be ultimately happy with that, people who go to games will drift away, and a dozen games doesn't change that one iota. Why refer to him as my man? The question was where do you, Leazes Mag, consider as being also ran?? setting survival as your aim, and mid table as success ? Selling your best players and pocketing the cash ? That may be fine for small clubs like Bolton, Blackburn etc, but not Newcastle. That is the actions of also rans, with limited ambitions, and small 20000 stadiums, struggling to fill them, and accepting you are unable to challenge the other major clubs, this is the mindset Mike Ashley has imposed on many of you, most of whom don't go to games so you accept it more readily. I really don't know why I'm trying to explain this to you again. Ignoramus

Absolutely the right attitude that, especially the bit in bold, irrespective of whether you like the owner or not, or think he's doing it the right way or not, it's something we should all be able to agree on (or most of us anyway). It's right though and I don't see the point in worrying about players leaving, in fact the way we've been scouting players over the past few years I feel confident that we could do a good job of replacing them anyway, I can remember people worried about Baye leaving but who gives him a second thought now? Or Given, or Nolan. Some players have left that have bothered me like Enrique but it happens with all clubs, others have gone and we've not only replaced them but improved too with their replacements. I feel similar about our scouting network as I did about Arsenal's a decade or so ago in that we've been able to sell what is considered our stars and replace them for less money while attempting to improve. That's the penny you won't get to drop in Leazes-world

You completely missed , or missunderstood, the one begets the other then your lack of an answer actually replies to the question of the thread. Your lack of brain cells (still active one's anyway) supplies the answer to lots of thingson this forum. Other than the same old bullshit tirade, you NEVER rationalise, nor answer, anything. on the contrary, everything I have said about the old and new owner is actually happening. Sorry to mention this again like, but the usual bog standard response from you demands this reply. You have answered the question in the thread. You don't go to games, therefore you can take the club or leave it, and have different priorities to spending your cash going to games and hoping only to win as many as possible. You don't feel happy or pissed off in the club or pub after the game, you just switch to another TV channel. You still don't answer my question about the transfer deadline. I know you said he is "recouping" but it goes deeper than that. No it's not, you are so misguided it is untrue. As for my priorities, it's a "time" thing not a cash thing and Oh yes I do get pissed off after a game (although this season not so much, and I see them all) I just don't happen to go to the pub (or the match). I believe he is recouping, what more is there to say. The taking profits/vehicle for SD is bollocks IMO, it doesn't stack up. (if that's what you are referring to). You talk about "pocketing" all the time as a very bad thing, (not that the current owner is) yet the irony of you, of all people, taking that position in itself zero's your credibility well, if he is "recouping", what was he doing before September 1st ? Isn't "recouping" just another way of saying "selling our best players, not backing his manager, pocketing the cash" etc etc.......this is what you were told by myself and others BEFORE the transfer deadline........so I'll ask you again, what are your REVISED views of Mike Ashleys ambitions for the club since September 1st, and what were you hoping he would do to make you change those views when you were saying this BEFORE September 1st and the end of the transfer deadline ? What exactly has made you finally realise he is "recouping" if you didn't see it earlier ? Fundamentaly NOT, I mean it's not even close. Therein lies your problem. so please tell us, where is the Carroll cash. What do you think he was doing before the end of the transfer deadline, and therefore what did you hope he would do when you said you would revise your opinion after the deadline ? What did you hope he would do when you said "he is now in a position to spend for the first time", where is this cash that wasn't spent ? Therein lies your problem. You don't see the meaning of your own comments. Carroll cash, spent. I would suggest some as contribution to running costs (and transfers) and some I suspect to reduce the debt to MA. The latter part being the element, or proportion, of the Carroll cash that was in the "position to spend" bracket, it seems he chose not to, but rather "recouped". I seriously wonder why I bother tbh

You completely missed , or missunderstood, the one begets the other then your lack of an answer actually replies to the question of the thread. Your lack of brain cells (still active one's anyway) supplies the answer to lots of thingson this forum. Other than the same old bullshit tirade, you NEVER rationalise, nor answer, anything. on the contrary, everything I have said about the old and new owner is actually happening. Sorry to mention this again like, but the usual bog standard response from you demands this reply. You have answered the question in the thread. You don't go to games, therefore you can take the club or leave it, and have different priorities to spending your cash going to games and hoping only to win as many as possible. You don't feel happy or pissed off in the club or pub after the game, you just switch to another TV channel. You still don't answer my question about the transfer deadline. I know you said he is "recouping" but it goes deeper than that. No it's not, you are so misguided it is untrue. As for my priorities, it's a "time" thing not a cash thing and Oh yes I do get pissed off after a game (although this season not so much, and I see them all) I just don't happen to go to the pub (or the match). I believe he is recouping, what more is there to say. The taking profits/vehicle for SD is bollocks IMO, it doesn't stack up. (if that's what you are referring to). You talk about "pocketing" all the time as a very bad thing, (not that the current owner is) yet the irony of you, of all people, taking that position in itself zero's your credibility well, if he is "recouping", what was he doing before September 1st ? Isn't "recouping" just another way of saying "selling our best players, not backing his manager, pocketing the cash" etc etc.......this is what you were told by myself and others BEFORE the transfer deadline........so I'll ask you again, what are your REVISED views of Mike Ashleys ambitions for the club since September 1st, and what were you hoping he would do to make you change those views when you were saying this BEFORE September 1st and the end of the transfer deadline ? What exactly has made you finally realise he is "recouping" if you didn't see it earlier ? Fundamentaly NOT, I mean it's not even close. Therein lies your problem.

You completely missed , or missunderstood, the one begets the other then your lack of an answer actually replies to the question of the thread. Your lack of brain cells (still active one's anyway) supplies the answer to lots of thingson this forum. Other than the same old bullshit tirade, you NEVER rationalise, nor answer, anything. on the contrary, everything I have said about the old and new owner is actually happening. Sorry to mention this again like, but the usual bog standard response from you demands this reply. You have answered the question in the thread. You don't go to games, therefore you can take the club or leave it, and have different priorities to spending your cash going to games and hoping only to win as many as possible. You don't feel happy or pissed off in the club or pub after the game, you just switch to another TV channel. You still don't answer my question about the transfer deadline. I know you said he is "recouping" but it goes deeper than that. No it's not, you are so misguided it is untrue. As for my priorities, it's a "time" thing not a cash thing and Oh yes I do get pissed off after a game (although this season not so much, and I see them all) I just don't happen to go to the pub (or the match). I believe he is recouping, what more is there to say. The taking profits/vehicle for SD is bollocks IMO, it doesn't stack up. (if that's what you are referring to). You talk about "pocketing" all the time as a very bad thing, (not that the current owner is) yet the irony of you, of all people, taking that position in itself zero's your credibility

You completely missed , or missunderstood, the one begets the other then Neither actually, I just didn't happen to agree. I was also sending up your tedious selectivity when reading others posts. Again. If you cannot see that a "skint position" will inevitably equate to a negative impact on the pitch, you are approaching Leazes' levels of thickness. BTW I only highlighted the bit I took a measure of issue with, you shouldn't be so insecure. That's what the bolding thing is for, if I disputed all your whole post I wouldn't have bolded owt. (I just did it again an all)

You completely missed , or missunderstood, the one begets the other then your lack of an answer actually replies to the question of the thread. Your lack of brain cells (still active one's anyway) supplies the answer to lots of thingson this forum. Other than the same old bullshit tirade, you NEVER rationalise, nor answer, anything.

You completely missed , or missunderstood, the one begets the other then

On the pitch, yes for a short while, off the pitch it's not even close. Eventually one begets the other. The "low" was still hugely higher than it likely would have been (IMO)

I think there was a poll recently that showed very few were "apologists". "Realists" now that'd be a different thing.