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Watched the first half of "War of the Worlds" (the Tom Cruise version). Started falling asleep so turned it off - can anyone advise if it's worth watching the rest or should I save part of my life?

They're blatently getting prepared for a bit of...... The bag on the right would fucking kill you though!

Aye the NUSC shop was around the corner. So it was Yep - bought my first 'caser' in that shop.... Spent far too much time in there mid 80s, they knew me by name!

The one with the Farmers Rest in it (and Noda taxis) has brought loads of memories flooding back.

The rumours are that he wanted him but Parry signed Keane instead. Villa resisted a move in the summer as well by all accounts - a bit of a Matt Le Tissier apparently.

Jagielka wasn't even a recognised central defender IIRC. Wasn't he a midfielder when he was at Sheffield United? Everton have got a fantastic coaching team behind them. Ironically a number of them jumped ship from us. Alan Irvine (now manager at Preston) came from Newcastle as did Steve Round (the only decent man in big Sam's backroom team IMO). The quality coming through the ranks speaks volumes too. Dan Gosling, Jack Rodwell, Tony Hibbert amongst them - along with of course Wayne Rooney. Moyes is pretty astute in the transfer market too - he may be a twat but Tim Cahill being signed from Millwall was a bit of a masterstroke.

Mike Ashley is probably lining him up as we speak... EDIT: same lawyer as Given has, isn't it?

Mike Ashley is probably lining him up as we speak...

I'm indifferent. It's sad she's dying so young but we all owe a death at some point. Plenty of women have died of cervical cancer in their 20s but there's never been such a carnival about it before. Doesn't really need the media attention it's grabbing tbh.

Happy birthday Bramley

Slow news day at the Sunday Express? Jesus wept

Oustanding first post!

Shouldn't have been on the pitch to take it.. fact. Blackburn should have had a penalty too

The all time classic... There was a young lady from Ealing Who had the most perculiar feeling She laid on her back And opened her crack And pissed all over the ceiling

Propaganda from start to finish. I firmly believe the police were behind this story and as Lord Justice Taylor put in his report, not one witness he spoke to backed up the story and those who reported it and those who published it were ill advised to do so. Absolute bullshit it is.

Maybe they were... but on this occassion it wasn't the case. The investigations proved that the were at most only 14 more people in the Leppings Lane end than there should have been and in reality, there was a lot less. The problem was not the number in there but the distribution of the fans once they were through the turnstiles. What has never been widely reported in the press before is how the pens at the Leppings Lane end were managed. For league games they always used to fill a pen up one at a time and only open up additional ones once those were full. The only time they ever deviated from this plan was on 3 occassions - the FA Cup semi finals of 1987, 1988 and 1989. Then, they opened up all pens immediately and allowed fans to 'find their own level'. In 1987 the kick off was delayed to let fans in, in 1988 the tunnel was closed off at 2.50 and in 1989, the authorities did nothing and disaster occurred. There were too many people in the Leppings Lane terrace but not on the ground of forged tickets or free entry. It was because the safety certificate was well out of date and should have been ammended. The figure of 10,100 in the format it was in was ridiculous and totally contravened the 'Green guide' for stadium terracing. It wasn't the Liverpool fans fault that there was overcrowding that day. 99.9% of them had a ticket.

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Reminds me of the Everton v Liverpool cup replay the other week. Halfway through, an announcement came through over the tannoy asking the Liverpool fans to sit down on the grounds of safety. Did they really think an announcement like that was gonna work?

Have a look at the Interim Report (PDF link in original post) and scroll down to Appendix 5 (page 75 of the PDF document). It shows how jam packed the central pens were and how sparse the wing pens (nearest to the camera) were by comparison. I know that photo is only a monochrome photocopy but it still brings home the horror of the situation. EDIT: this is a smaller, sepia version of it What makes it worse is that police control box is over on the other side of this photo quite high up (right next to the 'F' of the FINLUX TV & VIDEO sign is in line with the perimeter fence. The had a direct view, probably the clearest view of anyone in the ground) of the two pens where people died and could clearly see they were full beyond capacity long before they tragically opened gate C yet they did nothing about it! That's the point I can't comprehend - what the fuck were they doing up there? And surely before you give an order to open a floodgate, you make sure that areas that are already full are closed for access? This following pic was taken more or less from police control box. Don't forget they had CCTV cameras with decent zoom on them. One report suggested that the optical zoom was strong enough to be able to see the whites of peoples eyes in the area in question: And to give some perspective of what it was like down the front there's this. This is by no means the worst photo I've seen - it's actually quite tame by comparison

I watched it when it was released back in 1996 (don't think it's ever been transmitted since). I echoed the sentiments however I think that McGoven (a scouser) was using it as a platform to give the Liverpool version of events and, whilst it highlighted the shortcomings of the police, I think the bias of blame towards the police and not necessarily towards the other authorities who failed in the run up to that day is evident. The program was released at the height of the Hillsborough Justice Campaign and before the trials of SYP and I believe it was used to strengthen both. Awesome bit of drama however. I saw an interview with Christopher Ecclestone (who played the lead) who said he only agreed to do the programme with the full backing of the families concerned. He also claims that what the police say in the docu-drama is totally true and are quotes lifted from Taylor's inquiry. I would imagine that the programme may well be repeated in the week of the 20th anniversary. If it is, I recommend all to watch it. The portrayal of how the Hicks family dealt with life after the disaster is superb.

I'm ashamed to admit I own all 3 for the Wii... It may be different for you Jimbo but the Batman variant is the least addictive for me. Indiana Jones has been absolutely hammered though Can't wait for Ghostbusters to come out tbh

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Who was it who wanted to electrify the fences? Was it that tory clown David Evans when he was chairman of Luton Town? There were so pretty fucking awful ideas back in the mid 80s. It was all a case of crowd control first and crowd safety second.

to be fair to Jimmy Hill, if you watch the remaining parts of the MOTD clips on youtube, at the very end he makes reference to when he was Coventry City chairman, they created the first all seater stadium and removed the fences back in 1982 and that the football fraternity ridiculed them. His last point being a question of how many fans who were in the leppings lane end wished it had been an all-seater, no fences arena. Graham Kelly is, I agree a cunt for what he said that day - although he wasn't helped by Duckenfield who, when he quizzed him what had happened, replied that the fans had forced the gate. Bert Millichip was also out of line and totally out of touch for claiming that the organisers could not be to blame seeing as it was an all-ticket match. This clip is quite a powerful documentary outlining the views and memories of some of the fans and players who were at Hillsborough that day: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/media/hillsborou...150408_high.asx There's also a lot of background info to what happened on the day here: http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/histo...istory-html.htm

Whatever you think about Jade Goody as a person, and I am by no means a fan of hers, that bit in bold is absolutely disgraceful. She doesn't deserve to die - particularly at such a young age. While it's sad for the kids, they're young enough that they'll move on with their lives and are setup for life. She may be thick, she may have been the laughing stock of the Big Brother pantomime on two occassions but she played on that and used it to her advantage. Can't blame anyone for doing that but her actions are not deserving of her losing her life so young. It's tragic..... whoever it happens to.