LeazesMag 0 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 They've made enquiries and we've told them no. Im sure we'll do the same again. We'll see. We'd be rejecting offers now anyway, whether we intend on keeping him or not. The time to get smug about rejected offers is 1st Feb, cos then we'll know that we weren't just holding out for a bigger offer on the last day of the window. Is that the same time the humble pie gets eaten......I doubt it. Humble pie about what? Nobody wants him sold, but people are rightly concerned. Why do you have to try and lord it over people and insist they eat humble pie? When I say that the time to be smug is on Feb 1, that's not strictly true. What I should say is that while the rest of us choose to be relieved that we kept our best player, knowing what you're like, you won't be able to stop crowing about how you predicted it all and acting the smug prick. And a better time for THAT would be Feb 1st. Although tbh there's never a good time for that sort of shit. So Im smug for being pleased we've YET AGAIN, turned down an offer, but others in this thread who claim the deals being done all along shouldnt eat humble pie on 1st Feb.. What utter fucking TOSH. ASM is right, come 1st Feb, the usual nay sayers will be spouting about how the clubs just waiting til the summer to get more money.....and so it goes on. TIT CT, you're a fuckin pleb man, not so much as Skidders like, but you are talking about selling Carroll in January/August etc, you are talking about WHEN Carroll will be sold. Mate, nothing is as sure as this club will, eventually, lose Carroll and Enrique to one of the top clubs attempting to win the trophies and play in europe, and they will be happy to leave when the penny drops when they realise they have to make this move for their career ambitions. Do you want to know what will help convince them to stay, and build on this "platform he has started" ? Its quite simple man, all Mike Ashley has to do is buy a couple of quality players like Carroll and Enrique to show them that THIS club is trying to go places, this will also correctly bring about a u-turn in attitudes among supporters of the club towards him and his ambitions for the club. It's THAT simple man. Tiote? Ben Arfa? exactly and not too expensive either. so do you think it is possible to put together a team to consistently play in europe and/or the Champions League rummaging around the basement transfer market ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabit71 0 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 we have maybe 12 players capable of being in a european squad at this point in time. say 4/5 of our youngsters prove to be good enough, that leaves us needing to buy at least 5/6 more quality players. of course, we can't do this all at once as it would disrupt the team and dressing room too much, so it's going to take us around 3 years to get there..... but by that time 4/5 of the original 12 will be getting old so they'll need replaced, not to mention any of the original 12 that gets poached by teams already challenging for things. we're doomed while fat ash is in charge if we keep signing 2 players a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano 0 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 They've made enquiries and we've told them no. Im sure we'll do the same again. We'll see. We'd be rejecting offers now anyway, whether we intend on keeping him or not. The time to get smug about rejected offers is 1st Feb, cos then we'll know that we weren't just holding out for a bigger offer on the last day of the window. Is that the same time the humble pie gets eaten......I doubt it. Humble pie about what? Nobody wants him sold, but people are rightly concerned. Why do you have to try and lord it over people and insist they eat humble pie? When I say that the time to be smug is on Feb 1, that's not strictly true. What I should say is that while the rest of us choose to be relieved that we kept our best player, knowing what you're like, you won't be able to stop crowing about how you predicted it all and acting the smug prick. And a better time for THAT would be Feb 1st. Although tbh there's never a good time for that sort of shit. So Im smug for being pleased we've YET AGAIN, turned down an offer, but others in this thread who claim the deals being done all along shouldnt eat humble pie on 1st Feb.. What utter fucking TOSH. ASM is right, come 1st Feb, the usual nay sayers will be spouting about how the clubs just waiting til the summer to get more money.....and so it goes on. TIT CT, you're a fuckin pleb man, not so much as Skidders like, but you are talking about selling Carroll in January/August etc, you are talking about WHEN Carroll will be sold. Mate, nothing is as sure as this club will, eventually, lose Carroll and Enrique to one of the top clubs attempting to win the trophies and play in europe, and they will be happy to leave when the penny drops when they realise they have to make this move for their career ambitions. Do you want to know what will help convince them to stay, and build on this "platform he has started" ? Its quite simple man, all Mike Ashley has to do is buy a couple of quality players like Carroll and Enrique to show them that THIS club is trying to go places, this will also correctly bring about a u-turn in attitudes among supporters of the club towards him and his ambitions for the club. It's THAT simple man. Tiote? Ben Arfa? exactly and not too expensive either. so do you think it is possible to put together a team to consistently play in europe and/or the Champions League rummaging around the basement transfer market ? I wouldnt say Tiote nor Barfa were basement bargains...far from it. Clever business. You can assemble a quality squad without spending alot of money if you have a quality scouting network in place and then know how to manage them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 They've made enquiries and we've told them no. Im sure we'll do the same again. We'll see. We'd be rejecting offers now anyway, whether we intend on keeping him or not. The time to get smug about rejected offers is 1st Feb, cos then we'll know that we weren't just holding out for a bigger offer on the last day of the window. Is that the same time the humble pie gets eaten......I doubt it. Humble pie about what? Nobody wants him sold, but people are rightly concerned. Why do you have to try and lord it over people and insist they eat humble pie? When I say that the time to be smug is on Feb 1, that's not strictly true. What I should say is that while the rest of us choose to be relieved that we kept our best player, knowing what you're like, you won't be able to stop crowing about how you predicted it all and acting the smug prick. And a better time for THAT would be Feb 1st. Although tbh there's never a good time for that sort of shit. So Im smug for being pleased we've YET AGAIN, turned down an offer, but others in this thread who claim the deals being done all along shouldnt eat humble pie on 1st Feb.. What utter fucking TOSH. ASM is right, come 1st Feb, the usual nay sayers will be spouting about how the clubs just waiting til the summer to get more money.....and so it goes on. TIT CT, you're a fuckin pleb man, not so much as Skidders like, but you are talking about selling Carroll in January/August etc, you are talking about WHEN Carroll will be sold. Mate, nothing is as sure as this club will, eventually, lose Carroll and Enrique to one of the top clubs attempting to win the trophies and play in europe, and they will be happy to leave when the penny drops when they realise they have to make this move for their career ambitions. Do you want to know what will help convince them to stay, and build on this "platform he has started" ? Its quite simple man, all Mike Ashley has to do is buy a couple of quality players like Carroll and Enrique to show them that THIS club is trying to go places, this will also correctly bring about a u-turn in attitudes among supporters of the club towards him and his ambitions for the club. It's THAT simple man. Tiote? Ben Arfa? exactly and not too expensive either. so do you think it is possible to put together a team to consistently play in europe and/or the Champions League rummaging around the basement transfer market ? I wouldnt say Tiote nor Barfa were basement bargains...far from it. Clever business. You can assemble a quality squad without spending alot of money if you have a quality scouting network in place and then know how to manage them. That isn't what I asked. And Tiote and Ben Arfa were relatively cheapish buys in todays market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 They've made enquiries and we've told them no. Im sure we'll do the same again. We'll see. We'd be rejecting offers now anyway, whether we intend on keeping him or not. The time to get smug about rejected offers is 1st Feb, cos then we'll know that we weren't just holding out for a bigger offer on the last day of the window. Is that the same time the humble pie gets eaten......I doubt it. Humble pie about what? Nobody wants him sold, but people are rightly concerned. Why do you have to try and lord it over people and insist they eat humble pie? When I say that the time to be smug is on Feb 1, that's not strictly true. What I should say is that while the rest of us choose to be relieved that we kept our best player, knowing what you're like, you won't be able to stop crowing about how you predicted it all and acting the smug prick. And a better time for THAT would be Feb 1st. Although tbh there's never a good time for that sort of shit. So Im smug for being pleased we've YET AGAIN, turned down an offer, but others in this thread who claim the deals being done all along shouldnt eat humble pie on 1st Feb.. What utter fucking TOSH. ASM is right, come 1st Feb, the usual nay sayers will be spouting about how the clubs just waiting til the summer to get more money.....and so it goes on. TIT CT, you're a fuckin pleb man, not so much as Skidders like, but you are talking about selling Carroll in January/August etc, you are talking about WHEN Carroll will be sold. Mate, nothing is as sure as this club will, eventually, lose Carroll and Enrique to one of the top clubs attempting to win the trophies and play in europe, and they will be happy to leave when the penny drops when they realise they have to make this move for their career ambitions. Do you want to know what will help convince them to stay, and build on this "platform he has started" ? Its quite simple man, all Mike Ashley has to do is buy a couple of quality players like Carroll and Enrique to show them that THIS club is trying to go places, this will also correctly bring about a u-turn in attitudes among supporters of the club towards him and his ambitions for the club. It's THAT simple man. Tiote? Ben Arfa? exactly and not too expensive either. so do you think it is possible to put together a team to consistently play in europe and/or the Champions League rummaging around the basement transfer market ? I think if I keep progressing nicely with my keep fit I will eventually fit into size 32 jeans, however I'm not going to rush out and buy them just yet. Rome, day and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 They've made enquiries and we've told them no. Im sure we'll do the same again. We'll see. We'd be rejecting offers now anyway, whether we intend on keeping him or not. The time to get smug about rejected offers is 1st Feb, cos then we'll know that we weren't just holding out for a bigger offer on the last day of the window. Is that the same time the humble pie gets eaten......I doubt it. Humble pie about what? Nobody wants him sold, but people are rightly concerned. Why do you have to try and lord it over people and insist they eat humble pie? When I say that the time to be smug is on Feb 1, that's not strictly true. What I should say is that while the rest of us choose to be relieved that we kept our best player, knowing what you're like, you won't be able to stop crowing about how you predicted it all and acting the smug prick. And a better time for THAT would be Feb 1st. Although tbh there's never a good time for that sort of shit. So Im smug for being pleased we've YET AGAIN, turned down an offer, but others in this thread who claim the deals being done all along shouldnt eat humble pie on 1st Feb.. What utter fucking TOSH. ASM is right, come 1st Feb, the usual nay sayers will be spouting about how the clubs just waiting til the summer to get more money.....and so it goes on. TIT CT, you're a fuckin pleb man, not so much as Skidders like, but you are talking about selling Carroll in January/August etc, you are talking about WHEN Carroll will be sold. Mate, nothing is as sure as this club will, eventually, lose Carroll and Enrique to one of the top clubs attempting to win the trophies and play in europe, and they will be happy to leave when the penny drops when they realise they have to make this move for their career ambitions. Do you want to know what will help convince them to stay, and build on this "platform he has started" ? Its quite simple man, all Mike Ashley has to do is buy a couple of quality players like Carroll and Enrique to show them that THIS club is trying to go places, this will also correctly bring about a u-turn in attitudes among supporters of the club towards him and his ambitions for the club. It's THAT simple man. Tiote? Ben Arfa? exactly and not too expensive either. so do you think it is possible to put together a team to consistently play in europe and/or the Champions League rummaging around the basement transfer market ? I think if I keep progressing nicely with my keep fit I will eventually fit into size 32 jeans, however I'm not going to rush out and buy them just yet. Rome, day and all that. One day Robert Maxwell might put on a jogging suit and run around Leazes Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5941 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Mail reckons Spurs have bid £26mil for Llorente instead. Good news if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6190 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The wages the champions league sides are starting to pay nowadays are ridiculous. Many player on upwards of 100K per week, some over 200k. We're not in a posotion to even consider competing with them, because they're willing to throw away money in order to make a run for the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabit71 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 spurs wouldnt offer that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest You FCB Get Out Of Our Club Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Trust me I am as pissed off as you. January madness at its absolute finest. We are a bigger club than you, you nonce of a man. Why would he go there? Please tell me. What you laughing at you fucking victim of Thatcher's steelworks closure cunt??? Tottenham are currently better than Newcastle financially and clearly in terms of playing staff, but the history of the two clubs aren't dissimilar, and certainly we have a bigger fanbase. They couldn't even fill their little stadium till five years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Trust me I am as pissed off as you. January madness at its absolute finest. We are a bigger club than you, you nonce of a man. Why would he go there? Please tell me. What you laughing at you fucking victim of Thatcher's steelworks closure cunt??? Tottenham are currently better than Newcastle financially and clearly in terms of playing staff, but the history of the two clubs aren't dissimilar, and certainly we have a bigger fanbase. They couldn't even fill their little stadium till five years ago Certainly agree with Stevie here like. I fail to see how anyone could think Spurs a bigger club? Achievement are similar between the two clubs. They have 8 FA Cups and won the old league twice. Couple of European trophies. But in recent years (Premiership), NUFC has done more in the way of European exploits etc. Fan base is much larger for NUFC as they struggle to keep up with the bigger London clubs. I don't really see what can be argued againt that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 hes not going anywhere somone at newcastle made it clear hes not going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 hes not going anywhere somone at newcastle made it clear hes not going anywhere Glad we've cleared that up then, thats a weight off my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Trust me I am as pissed off as you. January madness at its absolute finest. We are a bigger club than you, you nonce of a man. Why would he go there? Please tell me. What you laughing at you fucking victim of Thatcher's steelworks closure cunt??? Tottenham are currently better than Newcastle financially and clearly in terms of playing staff, but the history of the two clubs aren't dissimilar, and certainly we have a bigger fanbase. They couldn't even fill their little stadium till five years ago Certainly agree with Stevie here like. I fail to see how anyone could think Spurs a bigger club? Achievement are similar between the two clubs. They have 8 FA Cups and won the old league twice. Couple of European trophies. But in recent years (Premiership), NUFC has done more in the way of European exploits etc. Fan base is much larger for NUFC as they struggle to keep up with the bigger London clubs. I don't really see what can be argued againt that? I'd agree that we have a bigger and more passionate fan base that fills a better stadium. European exploits is just a way of saying we won fuck all and doesn't equate to winning trophies so I'd say they are more successful than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 but lets hope ireland joins the team and be permanent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 1 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 but lets hope ireland joins the team and be permanent Can you spell "Embarrassing"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 kevin i dont know why your bothering posting against my posts when i cant read yours lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 We've had this debate before and it boils down to, as a supporter, how do you define "success"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) We've had this debate before and it boils down to, as a supporter, how do you define "success"? For NUFC I think success is truly competing with the clubs who win stuff, and that means we may once or twice win stuff. Success is relative for each club based upon their potential and you'd have to say Newcastle United are perennial underachievers and therefore not a particularly successful club. Edited January 30, 2011 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolly Potter MD 0 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 They've made enquiries and we've told them no. Im sure we'll do the same again. We'll see. We'd be rejecting offers now anyway, whether we intend on keeping him or not. The time to get smug about rejected offers is 1st Feb, cos then we'll know that we weren't just holding out for a bigger offer on the last day of the window. Is that the same time the humble pie gets eaten......I doubt it. Humble pie about what? Nobody wants him sold, but people are rightly concerned. Why do you have to try and lord it over people and insist they eat humble pie? When I say that the time to be smug is on Feb 1, that's not strictly true. What I should say is that while the rest of us choose to be relieved that we kept our best player, knowing what you're like, you won't be able to stop crowing about how you predicted it all and acting the smug prick. And a better time for THAT would be Feb 1st. Although tbh there's never a good time for that sort of shit. So Im smug for being pleased we've YET AGAIN, turned down an offer, but others in this thread who claim the deals being done all along shouldnt eat humble pie on 1st Feb.. What utter fucking TOSH. ASM is right, come 1st Feb, the usual nay sayers will be spouting about how the clubs just waiting til the summer to get more money.....and so it goes on. TIT CT, you're a fuckin pleb man, not so much as Skidders like, but you are talking about selling Carroll in January/August etc, you are talking about WHEN Carroll will be sold. Mate, nothing is as sure as this club will, eventually, lose Carroll and Enrique to one of the top clubs attempting to win the trophies and play in europe, and they will be happy to leave when the penny drops when they realise they have to make this move for their career ambitions. Do you want to know what will help convince them to stay, and build on this "platform he has started" ? Its quite simple man, all Mike Ashley has to do is buy a couple of quality players like Carroll and Enrique to show them that THIS club is trying to go places, this will also correctly bring about a u-turn in attitudes among supporters of the club towards him and his ambitions for the club. It's THAT simple man. Tiote? Ben Arfa? exactly and not too expensive either. so do you think it is possible to put together a team to consistently play in europe and/or the Champions League rummaging around the basement transfer market ? I wouldnt say Tiote nor Barfa were basement bargains...far from it. Clever business. You can assemble a quality squad without spending alot of money if you have a quality scouting network in place and then know how to manage them. That isn't what I asked. And Tiote and Ben Arfa were relatively cheapish buys in todays market. Exactly. Ben Arfa was nearing the end of his contract [heading into his final 12 months], and his disciplinary issues with OM probably devalued his true market value at the time when he effectively talked himself out other feasible options [permanent transfers] were avilable, when Ashley was lurking in the background with a loan offer [minus a concrete 'to buy' figure set in the loan contract] which amounted to Venus Fly Trap [with all the bargaining power in Ashley's court] in waiting. And Tiote is one of those 'chancer' & inexpensive type of signings, a player in development whose attributes [physical attributes & his reading of the play] have made for an immediate impact in the physical & fast paced nature of the top flight. The most comparible signing in the premiership era would be Viera: a peripheral figure at his former club [Milan], but like Tiote made added steel to Wenger's overall football philosophy re. their outfield play, and hence a pivotal signing. Credit goes to the scouting department in this case, but they don't always come off ie. Guppy & Huckerby under KK. It's still an extremely hit & miss transfer policy, to rely on 'chancer' signings. Tiote & Ben Arfa are gifts. We've been the beneficiaries of a combination of good scouting and a volatile/ugly 'player vs club & manager' situation. Players of this ability don't consistently drop into your lap, for next to peanuts in today's market at a highly consistent rate. Even Arsenal/Wenger hunt down & ultimately are prepared to fork out the going rate for those youngsters deemed to be in the top echelon of the talent pool, this why talk of Ashley trying to emulate 'the Arsenal Model' is offensive. But the sort of signings we should be aiming for, you have be prepared to go that extra yard. Instead trolling around for mid-late 20's players in the lower leagues a kid like Delph [identified by KK], under a lengthy contract at Leeds, was exactly the type of emerging & dominating talent we should be trying to sign from the lower divisions. The prospect of a shaft type of move [where a compensation via tribunal ruling was out of the question] wasn't a feasible option. Instead Ashley/Dekka tabled an offer which brought about a reportedly colorful response from Bates. Under the previous regime such signings [ie Jenas] were completed with the upmost of professionalism............ or in the case of Delph [as KK suggested] did Ashley & Dekka purposely underbid for a player in their attempts to push the manager to the periphery of the squad's building plans. Either way it's embarrasing running of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolly Potter MD 0 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Back to Carroll. A bid of around the 30m mark, and some appearance based incentives [international caps & CL appearances: it's how Levy works apparently] should get the deal over the line. Asshley gets to knock over a significant chunk of the debt owed to himself, as Carroll's departure will be pure profit. And the bonus part of the equation is Asshley will enjoy the big lad plying his trade at the club he supports [spurs] at the highest club level. I still maintain that Carroll is the missing link in their final 1/3. It might not happen this season [as his impact there may be limited somewhat, depending on the extent of his thigh injury & how it's managed] but Carroll + Spurs' current attacking-midfield options equates to around about 5 years of CL football/qualification. At least Ashley will enjoy that, a WHL regular for their European fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6190 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 They need a decent defensive midfielder to shield their ordinary defense as well, so they might as well tack on an extra 10-15 million and grab Tiote. Might have to wait a while though, or apply for special dispensation as he'll be playing for 3 clubs in less than a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34622 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Liverpool have put a 30m bid in for Carroll, and the NUFC press conference has been put back to half 3 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 So they've 'upped' it from £28 million? Only if Steeeveeee Geeeeee comes the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26467 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Just heard that myself, apparently we've turned it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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