SteveAustin 0 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 NJS, I think you could include most of Europe in that. The Dutch, Spanish and French all to a fairly decent hand in carving up the World for their own profits, with the US and Germany joining in when it suited them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3978 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Rubbish, the world owes you a massive debt, apparently.It's not black&white either way - as a lefty I do recognise the "evils" of the past but I'm not blind to the positives either unlike most. To a large extent the "civilisation" of the third world has been good for our species imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 shame there are so many uncivilised still out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 They've killed another 15 after shelling a UN-run school. That's no accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Just sick... [tweet] [/tweet] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2767 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 The IDF tweets that last night, it told the Red Cross to evacuate civilians from the Beit Hanoun shelter between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., and both UNRWA and the Red Cross got the message.The military says that this morning, Hamas fired at IDF troops from a populated area near the shelter, and also prevented the evacuation of civilians from the area.It adds that earlier today, “several rockets launched from Gaza toward Israel fell short and hit Beit Hanoun.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26352 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Why give advance warning that you're going to hit a civilian target? It only gives the supposed occupying terrorists time to move. Doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 'Near the shelter'. They were given exact coordinates of the shelter and they still hit it. Load of baloney. If they arent doing this deliberately then the only other explanation is that they have really crappy targeting systems which I doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19826 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Good balanced analysis from Jonathan Freedland in the guardian on how there's a lack of leadership on both sides. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/26/israel-gaza-war-self-defeating-less-not-more-secure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Has anyone living in Gaza ever said that rockets shouldn't be fired at civilians in Israel.They backed the wrong horse in 1948 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I bet they're too busy pulling their families out of rubble to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 That's a no then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5912 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 How the fuck should we know you cockend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I knew a knobhead like you wouldn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Some people are completely beyond help..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDimpleboy 0 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7ijMjc2Js It's also great to see thousands of Jews bringing New York to a standstill to protest against the actions of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 10003 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5912 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'm not au fait with the politics in Gaza at the minute, but where do the folks condemning Israel sit when they agree to a 24 hour cease fire and Hamas fires rockets over the border in response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 What Israel forgets is that historically everntually the boot will be onteh other foot and then they will reap whatthey are sowing right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 TBF, Israel aren't as bad as nazis. The Nazis allowed the Jews only 184 calories of food each per day http://listverse.com/2013/08/19/10-incredible-cases-of-jewish-resistance-during-the-holocaust/ Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade. An Israeli military spokesman, said the calculation was based on a person's average requirement of 2,300 calories a day http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza Question is whether it's to your credit to be 'not as bad as the nazis' when you're blockading food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'm not au fait with the politics in Gaza at the minute, but where do the folks condemning Israel sit when they agree to a 24 hour cease fire and Hamas fires rockets over the border in response? Firstly, correct me if Im wrong but I think a ceasefire was agreed starting at 2PM local time, but the both parties kept the onslaught going until that time. Israel pounded Gaza with air strikes and artillery upto 10 minutes before the time. What Hamas does is wrong. Do tell me how you'd feel though if this happened to the UK: I dare say a few people would want to fire a couple of rockets back in. Some people keep pretending this is a conflict that started when Hamas developed a penchant for fireworks. Also, six times as many Palestinians have been killed over the last 72 hours than all projectiles fired at Israel have killed in 13 years. Also, its a fucking pathetic excuse to murder kids and other civilians who have absolutely nowhere to run to or protect themselves. Over 1000 dead and 6000+ injured, many of them critically. Yet its the Palestinians that have to justify their actions to some people. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34474 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 The children of Gaza I Channel 4 News: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5912 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I understand all that, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can't excuse Hamas' actions because they 'only fired a few rockets' or 'killed far fewer people'. Do you know how absurd that sounds? War is never good but there's definitely two sides to this one and both are wrong in different ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I understand all that, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can't excuse Hamas' actions because they 'only fired a few rockets' or 'killed far fewer people'. Do you know how absurd that sounds? War is never good but there's definitely two sides to this one and both are wrong in different ways Thanks scoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I understand all that, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. You can't excuse Hamas' actions because they 'only fired a few rockets' or 'killed far fewer people'. Do you know how absurd that sounds? War is never good but there's definitely two sides to this one and both are wrong in different ways Aye like I said firing rockets that could hit civilians is wrong but its a very very difficult situation for Hamas for reasons already discussed. As far as Israel is concerned they're committing one war crime after another on top of their illegal occupation and blockade. Nobody bats an eyelid. If this was Iran the US and UN would have been in an uproar. The hypocrisy is criminal and it just takes you back to the Osama bin Laden logic posted in an article above. You have to wonder how long before all this completely blows up in someone's face. When you drive people to this level of desperation then something will give sooner or late. What view of this world will the children that survive Gaza grow up with? How many Bin Laden's have been born this past few weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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