Moon Landings

[Christmas Tree 4005]

Why are we sending tea trolleys to Mars?

 

Cant expect lads to terrafirm a planet without a nice brew now can you.

[wolfy 12]

No you don't "know" anything of the sort.

 

You believe and that's what's frustrating. You arbitrarily choose what to believe in and what to dismiss. For example you say that because you can hear radio stations you believe in radio signals, yet despite watching satellite tv, you don't believe in them. Can't you see the hypocrisy?

 

Again, if we boil it down, you have chosen not to believe in things you can't understand. That's not thinking outside the box. It's just being so arrogant to dismiss that which you don't understand.

 

You're the Church when faced with Galileo. Galileo's findings scared them, he shook their understanding of the universe to it's very core so they locked him in his house and demanded he recant his assertions. Similarly the notion that man has frequently broken free of Earth's atmosphere makes no sense to you, so you dismiss it.

 

You repeatedly say that nothing man made can exist in the vacuum of space. And yet when people upload videos of amateur rocketeers firing vehicles into space you imply it's faked. The problem is that when people offer you evidence you reject it without giving reasonable counterarguments.

 

You've displayed a lack of understanding of physics, of vacuums, of radiowaves, or radiation and so on. I believe if you understood these aspects of the universe you'd not dismiss the possibilities of space travel, satellites and so on.

 

You're also yet to give a legitimate reason for these conspiracies.

I don't know everything, I admit that.

 

What I do know for a FACT, is, no man has walked on the moon. I also know that this scrap school type project mock up piece of shite has never done anything at all what they say it has done, let alone land on the moon.

 

 

 

 

Now if you want to believe that this piece of crap has done what they said it's done then that's entirely up to you...but as you can see, I don;t think a masterful knowledge of physics and calculations is needed when the eyes can do a far better job of knowing that this contraption is a complete piss take and an insult to our intelligence.

 

As for your Amateur home made rockets going into space..do you actually really believe that.

 

You mention about my understanding of physics and radio signals and why I believe in radio signals and not satellites... well ok I'll give you a very simple answer.

 

First of all, my radio works and I accept that it works from transmitters, (on Earth)...I also accept television working the very same way due to the aerial on my house roof receiving signals from transmitters from Earth.

 

I also accept that the company names SKY , send us their signals to give us our extra channels but not from satellites, just simply from a different transmitter working on a different frequency.

 

I get many people asking me the questions of.. " well how come we can get OVERSEAS channels then, without satellites" and yet they can't seem to accept that transmitters in relay can do it and prefer to go with a satellite supposedly 24,000 miles out into space, which in effect( if we go by the bull that we are told) is inside the Van Allen Radiation belt and yet these so called satellites not only transmit signals to our televisions but can also do it through this radiation and within this radiation.

 

Not only that..they also tell us that once in their 24,000 mile orbit, they cannot be repaired if they malfunction, yet they appear to never need repair anyway as they appear to work fantastic and perfect every time. (magical stuff)

 

Space exploration is a big con and always has been and to this day it hasn't changed.

 

Whether they manage some miracle in the future to actually do it for real, remains to be seen.

 

Oh and Fish..it's pointless spending all your time telling me that I don't know about physics and saying I don;t give reasons for it, when clearly I do.

 

You on the other hand, spend a lot of your time telling me I'm a nutter and wrong without actually giving any reason, other than, " it happened because we were told it happened."

 

Put your reasons forward as to why it happened and I'll be glad to counteract it.

[Andrew 4290]

Youre mixing up knowing and believing again.

 

you don't know any of this for a FACT at all

[trophyshy 6453]

You don't even know what a fact is you tit.

[Andrew 4290]

fact/fakt/

 

 

Noun:

• A thing that is indisputably the case.
  
• Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article
  

 

 

that does not apply to a thing you have posted since signing up

[wolfy 12]

Let's look at this amazing Apollo program.

 

First off all they test a prototype lander on Earth that fails spectacularly. They then believe that's enough to go ahead gathering all the old cardboard boxes, roofing paper, gold foil, masking tape, scotch tape and a few other scraped up materials and decide that the moon mission is on.

 

Then supposedly house this Lunar lander inside the top of the rocket stuck to another contraption they call the command module.

This Saturn V rocket takes off and jettisons certain stages of itself along the way and reaches space.

 

Once in space, all that's left of the rocket, is a command module with this lunar lander thing stuck to it, which flies through space at thousands of miles an hour, in a vacuum, managing to correct it's course to the moon by use of, ermmmm, tail fins?, wings? , no that can;t be right because it doesn't have these things and they wouldn't work as it needs air to work them...so how about little side ,"retro thruster thingies", aye that'll navigate it.

 

As they are speeding to the moon, they now have to slow the command module down as it's naturally whizzing towards it at thousands of mile per hour.

 

Now how do they slow this down? Well, they just do, that's all, which now has the command module orbiting the moons supposed one sixth gravity...how they worked out the gravity and how to orbit it, is the stuff of magic, so we won't bother with that.

 

Right!, so, Armstrong and Aldrin get into this Lunar lander and separate it from the command module and head to the moon. Now here's the clever bit.

 

Once the Lander is about to hit the moons gravitational pull, it about turns itself, so that it's rocket nozzle if facing the moons surface...how they about turn the rocket is all down to these little retro booster thingies, which are amazing things.

 

So what we have now, is a Lunar lander descending to the moons surface with it's nozzle slowing it's descent.

 

Basically it's like Taking off in that Saturn V, then slowing down when you get to 60 miles, then throttling it down so it lands back on the launch pad...seems piss easy doesn't it.

 

Anyway, they manage to land after overshooting their landing zone that apparently has been picked out for them, even though that today, it seems to have took all this time to actually see , 'supposedly' what the moons surface is like, yet in 1969, not only did they seem to know the exact place to land but the Lunar lander was actually programmed on auto pilot to land exactly on it, yet Armstrong sees that they are gonna land in a crater, so grabs the steering wheel...oops I mean the retro booster sticks and whilst the rocket nozzle underneath is arresting their descent, those little retro's are steering it sideways onto a perfect landing site.

 

Now once they touched down, there was no blast crater underneath but this was explained away as, they throttles the rocket motor down to 3000lbs of pressure from 10,000 lbs and also shut off the rockets about 10 feet from the ground and just free falled that 10 feet....as you do.

 

Now if anyone cares to look at the landing sequence of Armstrong and Aldrin on their descent in how it was portrayed, just google it and listen and watch their supposed historic landing and tell me if they shut down their rocket 10 feet from the ground.

 

Once they had done what they came to do, they then jumped back into the Lander and , detonated a few bolts and somehow managed to ignite a rocket underneath itself and blast off, reaching about 3000 mph to get out of the moons gravity, then catch up and dock with the command module, despite never having done any of this before.

 

Now once they have docked, they then climb into the command module, through the only known route they can possiblv take..which is through the part where the so called parachutes are bundled, yet they seem to manage it all without fuss.

 

Then the command module, about turns and zooms 240,000 miles back to Earth after jettisoning yet another piece of itself and they all come down in a little cone, which as I explained, had the parachutes at the top of it.

 

Once they hit the water, they are put in quarantine, even though nothing has touched their skin and in fact if anything should have been quarantines, it should have been that little craft, plus the rescuers who were not wearing any special suits.

 

 

So there you have it.... the moon landings are an absolute piece of piss aren't they lol.

[wolfy 12]

Youre mixing up knowing and believing again.

 

you don't know any of this for a FACT at all

I know in my OWN mind what reality and bullshit is and the moon landings are bullshit.

 

As for being able to physically prove it, you are right, I cannot physically prove it, no more than anyone can physically prove they did happen.

 

It's a case of, what does a person's own common sense tell them...did it or didn't.

[wolfy 12]

You don't even know what a fact is you tit.

Aye ok.

[wolfy 12]

that does not apply to a thing you have posted since signing up

100% provable FACT, I cannot prove, you are right.

I do know it's a FACT to MYSELF and that's what counts. What others believe is up to them.

[CleeToonFan 1]

100% provable FACT, I cannot prove, you are right.

I do know it's a FACT to MYSELF and that's what counts. What others believe is up to them.

That makes it a belief, not a fact.

[PaddockLad 14935]

I know in my OWN mind what reality and bullshit is and the moon landings are bullshit.

 

As for being able to physically prove it, you are right, I cannot physically prove it, no more than anyone can physically prove they did happen.

 

It's a case of, what does a person's own common sense tell them...did it or didn't.

 

If the moon landings didnt happen, and it was all a big conspiracy, its surely in human nature that somebody in the last 43 years involved in the conspiracy wouldve let it slip that it was a 6th form science project all along?...and lets hear an estimate of how many were "in" on it in the first place? I'll start you off.... every government on the planet, the worlds media,NASA etc etc And the same goes for everything else you "dont understand"...how many people do you think are involved in covering all this shit up? go on, take a guess...

[wolfy 12]

That makes it a belief, not a fact.

Yep, it does, it's my belief and to myself I accept it as a fact. The reason why I accept men not landing on the moon as a FACT, is because I do not accept their story even 1%, so that's good enough for myself to state to myself that I know for a fact they faked it.

 

We can argue all day long on what a fact means or what belief means but it still doesn't change my view.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3284]

Occam's razor "other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one.". In this case the simple answer is the moon landings were real.

 

My reason for this conclusion is based on secrets. Secrets are like a team only as strong as the weakest link. In secrets the less people that know the better. For the moon landings to be a hoax then too many people would have to know and at least one of them would have said by now.

 

my reason for saying somebody would have siad is based on other government attenmpts to hush things up failing. And most of them only relied on one person being involved sch as Daniel Ellsburg, Ryszard Jerzy Kukliński, W. Mark Felt, A. Ernest Fitzgerald, Duncan Edmonds, Mordechai Vanunu, Gary Webb, Paul van Buitenen. Unless someone (not Wofy someone sane) can come up with a plausible simple explanation as to why hundreds if not thousands of conspirators and their families have kept quiet so long then I think I will stick with Moon been there done that..

[wolfy 12]

If the moon landings didnt happen, and it was all a big conspiracy, its surely in human nature that somebody in the last 43 years involved in the conspiracy wouldve let it slip that it was a 6th form science project all along?...and lets hear an estimate of how many were "in" on it in the first place? I'll start you off.... every government on the planet, the worlds media,NASA etc etc And the same goes for everything else you "dont understand"...how many people do you think are involved in covering all this shit up? go on, take a guess...

I don't know.

 

The need to know basis is all that's required and those that need to know are the one's responsible for it happening.

I've heard all the tales about it needing thousands upon thousands to pull this off and all the thousands working at N.A.S.A who would have known but yet no one told.

 

It matters not as everything is compartmentalised in anything in life where one doesn't know what the other one is doing and are all assigned a job which they do.

 

Bob, the moon buggy tyre fitter can tell all his pals that he's part of the moon program but he has no clue what's going on in the back ground, yet he can naively believe he's putting this special tyre on something that's going to be on the moon.

Now given that he won't have a clue about space, he gets on with his job.

 

Some clever ones might think" eh, this thing won't work up there" but decide to keep their traps shut so they aren't ridiculed.

Most people who felt part of building a certain part, will sit and tell you in a pub that they are a N.A.S.A parts specialist, such is the nature of bragging.

[The Fish 9263]

I don't know everything, I admit that.

 

What I do know for a FACT, is, no man has walked on the moon. I also know that this scrap school type project mock up piece of shite has never done anything at all what they say it has done, let alone land on the moon.

Again, you don't know this as fact and you're yet to give a legitimate reason beyond baseless assertions that "It won't work". You cite that your eyes prove these incredible feats of engineering are faked, without knowing the 1st thing about space travel. You literally have no idea what pressures, temperatures, radiation nor anything else will be apparent/absent in space or upon the Moon. You don't understand the vacuum of space, you don't understand atmosphere and you don't understand Newtons 1st law. The reasons you give are childishly simple.

 

As for your Amateur home made rockets going into space..do you actually really believe that.

I do, because I have sufficient understanding of the principles involved.

 

You mention about my understanding of physics and radio signals and why I believe in radio signals and not satellites... well ok I'll give you a very simple answer.

 

First of all, my radio works and I accept that it works from transmitters, (on Earth)...I also accept television working the very same way due to the aerial on my house roof receiving signals from transmitters from Earth.

 

I also accept that the company names SKY , send us their signals to give us our extra channels but not from satellites, just simply from a different transmitter working on a different frequency.

 

I get many people asking me the questions of.. " well how come we can get OVERSEAS channels then, without satellites" and yet they can't seem to accept that transmitters in relay can do it and prefer to go with a satellite supposedly 24,000 miles out into space, which in effect( if we go by the bull that we are told) is inside the Van Allen Radiation belt and yet these so called satellites not only transmit signals to our televisions but can also do it through this radiation and within this radiation.

 

Not only that..they also tell us that once in their 24,000 mile orbit, they cannot be repaired if they malfunction, yet they appear to never need repair anyway as they appear to work fantastic and perfect every time. (magical stuff)

 

Nothing within this quote shows any understanding of Radio Waves, nor Satellite transmissions. Did you know, for example, that a neon sign can cause sufficient interference to a radio signal to render the location of the transmitter useless? A neon sign. And you're suggesting that rather than the entirely feasible, logical, reasonable and rational network of Satellites, a web of Radio relays provides the entirety of the planet with it's information and what not? I work with a Radio network daily and can assure you, if you believe Radio Transmissions are more reliable than satellites, then you're out of your mind. We daily send engineers to test areas and alter settings of transmitters. There are areas of London so poorly served by the radio network it's a joke. You know what does work in those areas? GPS. We monitor the engineers driving their vans around an area and at the same time monitor the quality of radio communication. There are areas in London where the van is loud and proud on our displays, but there is no transmit nor receive from the engineer. Yet, there he is, on the screen driving along this street or that.

 

Oh and Fish..it's pointless spending all your time telling me that I don't know about physics and saying I don;t give reasons for it, when clearly I do.

Ok, again, you have not given any logical reason for denial. Parky has denied the Moon landings and can at least back it up.

 

You on the other hand, spend a lot of your time telling me I'm a nutter and wrong without actually giving any reason, other than, " it happened because we were told it happened."

I have never, ever, said "it happened because we were told it happened" so I'm not sure why you've attributed that quote to me.

 

I've tried to explain that space exploration isn't far-fetched, I've tried to explain how various things work, but you don't understand them or choose not to believe them. the perfect example is Radio vs Satellite. Your starting point is something like 'I believe because I can hear radio stations' which is not proof of anything. It's quite easy, using that criteria to claim that Radio doesn't exist and we've been using satellites from day 1, the whole "Radio" thing is a hoax. Why? well because I can hear the noises and therefore it must be satellites. Preposterous isn't it?

 

GPS, Satellite tv, images of weather system so vast as to rule out the possibility of being created within earth's atmosphere, picture of the Earth in all it's glory... all these things are evidence that you're wrong and the strongest argument you have is 'I can hear radio stations so it must be radio' or 'well my untrained eye tells me that something that I don't understand can't possibly work in the arena that I don't understand'

 

it's like saying a shrimp can't exist in the crushing depths because you can crush it between your fingers; it just shows a lack of understanding, not the impossibility of the feat.

 

Put your reasons forward as to why it happened and I'll be glad to counteract it.

Why it happened? sure, satellites were a viable way of using the technology at hand to provide a money making service to the already rich and an information service to the already powerful.

[trophyshy 6453]

Clearly little has changed in Hartlepool since poor Fisty's ancestor was done in.

[Monkeys Fist 39194]

Is Wolfy a monkey hanger?

 

Explains a lot.

 

 

What's your view on the Holocaust Wolfy?

[The Fish 9263]

Is Wolfy a monkey hanger?

 

Explains a lot.

 

 

What's your view on the Holocaust Wolfy?

[Brock Manson 0]

Is Wolfy a monkey hanger?

 

Explains a lot.

 

 

What's your view on the Holocaust Wolfy?

 

I was going to ask that yesterday but I daren't in the end. You've done it now.

[Monkeys Fist 39194]

My guess- "yes it happened, but it's not what we think it was. "

 

Fish/Me/Anyone Sane - " What happened then?"

 

Wolfy - " Who knows, but it wasn't what you have been told by the media "

 

Etc

Etc

Etc.

[Brock Manson 0]

My guess- "yes it happened, but it's not what we think it was. "

 

Fish/Me/Anyone Sane - " What happened then?"

 

Wolfy - " Who knows, but it wasn't what you have been told by the media "

 

Etc

Etc

Etc.

 

The showers were real, I know this because gas doesn't come out when I shower.

[Monkeys Fist 39194]

" Have you ever tried getting one person in an oven, never mind hundreds?"

 

[luckyluke 1]

I think Wolfy should give us a comprehensive list of things he DOES believe in for clarification.

[trophyshy 6453]

" Have you ever tried getting one person in an oven, never mind hundreds?"

[Meenzer 14143]

" Have you ever tried getting one person in an oven, never mind hundreds?"