Happy Face 29 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Mind, compared to Obama the Nobel peace prize winner who's bombed 7 different countries (twice as many as Bush) Clinton was quite restrained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 This is why it makes no fucking difference who you vote for in the establishment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26762 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Tell that to the people who've suffered under years of Tory austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 ...? New Labour were pro austerity too, weren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Tell that to the people who've suffered under years of Tory austerity. Less than a quarter of Labour MPs voted against the welfare bill though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26762 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Does anyone seriously believe that any Labour cuts would have been as harsh and deep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Does anyone seriously believe that we aren't talking about two sides of the same coin in the New Labour/Tory discussion? http://www.academia.edu/5373503/Blair_s_New_Labour_and_the_power_of_the_neoliberal_consensus https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/04/gordon-browns-legacy-rampant-neoliberalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 Hardly a war and also absolutely justified. UN led too iirc. Name me a US president since the war whose been less militarily interventionist. No, I agree with that, just the lack of knowledge of a Presidential candidate 8 years before running on current affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) I see Trump was in Florida today and he apparently brought a bunch of people from minority groups on stage who happen to work for him to say they'll be voting for him He even fucking joked if they didn't say something nice he'd fire them before bringing them on. He's having a laugh now surely? Edited October 26, 2016 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14860 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2016/oct/26/donald-trump-helps-league-cup-fifth-round-draw-1991-video?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 His hands are actually really small. He has got such an odd way of talking mind, weird to see how it's the same 25 years ago as it is now as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14135 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 He's a lot more intelligent than his father, that's for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Doubt that he is, might be more articulate but the two don't go completely together. I didn't watch it all but the gist seemed to be we'll release our tax returns when Hilary releases all her private emails. What a twat and if you swallowed that line you're an idiot too. Tax is tax and private emails can be made public interest but equivalence would be if Trump's private and business emails were made public not his tax. As for Hilary's comments about Palestine, how naive to not realize that the business of politics is exactly what she states, the attempt to influence political outcomes at home and abroad. Obama comes to Britain to influence the democratic vote for Brexit and everyone loves it apart from those who don't support it. Completely normal and just goes to show how desperate to be outraged the wiki-lovers are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) His father is quite possibly one of the biggest morons I've ever seen, so it wouldn't take much intelligence to outdo that. The rest of it, well, if you're happy with that state of affairs then keep voting for it. The really interesting thing is that the 'proles' aren't happy with it anymore - and they seem to outnumber the rest of us. EDIT - also worth noting I'm not outraged. Just increasingly incredulous that people accept this sort of bullshit. Stockholm syndrome or what? Edited October 29, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 "wiki lovers" Chez starting to sound like Leazes slamming the Guardianistas. What's newsworthy is rarely outrageous to our expectations. No one is surprised/outraged that Trump is a sex pest. The evidence that he brags about it is clearly significant though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 We know the US routinely works against democracy around the world, so let's suppress any evidence of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18013 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Wiki leaks is doing a good job of reassuring me at the minute. Literally nothing noteworthy has been released. I think Chez is right and some people are desperate to be outraged. Ironically usually the same people that bang on about the right to privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35330 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 People just have different things they're desperate to be outraged about. Yours is Corbyn, Chez's is the post-Brexit price of champagne enemas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Wiki leaks is doing a good job of reassuring me at the minute. Literally nothing noteworthy has been released. I think Chez is right and some people are desperate to be outraged. Ironically usually the same people that bang on about the right to privacy. I bang on about the right to privacy for private citizens and for transparency from elected officials. There's no irony in that whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Wiki leaks is doing a good job of reassuring me at the minute. Literally nothing noteworthy has been released. I think Chez is right and some people are desperate to be outraged. Ironically usually the same people that bang on about the right to privacy. I assume I'm included in this, and want to point out that I was indifferent on the subject of privacy and have been outraged precisely zero times by Hillary Clinton as I just expect this shit from the establishment. That being said, there's a difference between the state's privacy and our own. I'm not impressed by the developments about rigging Palestine but as Chez says, that's nothing new for the those who perpetuate the system. Does make clear that Hillary is a Neocon hawk though. What do we make of these latest FBI related issues? The democrats seem to be up in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20103 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 People just have different things they're desperate to be outraged about. Yours is Corbyn, Chez's is the post-Brexit price of champagne enemas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 Literally nothing noteworthy has been released. How many of them have you read? Some of the revelations i find noteworthy are: A Citigroup executive sent Obama a list of who should get which jobs in his administration should he win the election (ths was a month before the election). The list was almost entirely the result - https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton Criticisms Clinton made of Wall Street in her secret paid speeches were consciously planted in the writing in case the content was leaked, the sole purpose to allow the campaign to point at where she was critical. - https://shadowproof.com/2016/10/13/clinton-speech-deutsche-bank-designed-give-cover-wall-street-coziness/ Clinton campaign drafted a statement assuming she will support TPP. Also stated that the environmental tests would not be a factor. - https://shadowproof.com/2016/10/12/campaign-ever-launched-clinton-planned-support-tpp-elected/ Clinton promotes fracking. Says Russia is behind environmental groups opposed. http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-expresses-support-fracking-wikileaks-document-2428659 Clinton explicity states that US allies Qatar and Saudi Arabia fund and support ISIS operations. - https://shadowproof.com/2016/10/13/hillary-clinton-claims-saudi-arabia-qatar-financing-isis-hacked-email/ Clinton obtained questions prior to a debate with Bernie Sanders, breaching traditional secrecy - http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/roland-martin-cnn-email-donna-brazile-wikileaks-229673 The Clinton campaign list of possible VP picks was categorized by gender and Race and included many with strong business ties such as Apple CEO Tim Cook, Bill and Melinda Gates, and Michael Bloomberg. - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hacked-podesta-emails-reveal-early-list-of-possible-vice-presidential-candidates/ Campaign decided to attack nurses after their endorsement of Sanders - https://shadowproof.com/2016/10/28/not-real-union-clinton-campaign-attacks-nurses/ You don't think any of those stories deserved to be published? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26762 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Is there anything there you wouldn't expect to see in campaign emails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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