ewerk 27049 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Rees Mogg is a strong unionist, that's all the DUP are worried about. His religion doesn't come into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18230 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I can't keep up with all the insane contradictions of politics any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27049 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 His voting record tells you all you need to know about him https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18230 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Aye, he's an absolute massive unreformed cunt from the 17th century. Unelectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, Renton said: Am not sure the DUP could support a papist like Rees Mogg. He's be my choice as surely he is utterly, utterly unelectable. Haven't said this for a while, but surely we can agree a more centrist Labour party with a pro-European agenda (EEA membership) would wipe the floor with these cunts. I'm not convinced Corbyn can and his own anti-EU stance rankles massively with me. This is a sticking point for me. Personally, I would far rather we had a centrist Labour who could take us back into the EU in some form or another. Socially, for wider society, I think we need Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18230 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: This is a sticking point for me. Personally, I would far rather we had a centrist Labour who could take us back into the EU in some form or another. Socially, for wider society, I think we need Corbyn. I agree we have to fundamentally change course in this country, we're at the tipping point now. But you have to be pragmatic. Corbyns desire for state owned companies as an independent country just won't work, as evidenced by Bombardier. The state of politics in this country is beyond shocking. It's like a premier team being managed by Joe kinnear. Wonder how it will end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Renton said: I agree we have to fundamentally change course in this country, we're at the tipping point now. But you have to be pragmatic. Corbyns desire for state owned companies as an independent country just won't work, as evidenced by Bombardier. The state of politics in this country is beyond shocking. It's like a premier team being managed by Joe kinnear. Wonder how it will end? The concern with going back to the centre ground is that you alienate the disaffected working class. The risk there is that a sizeable number of them head over to far right extremism. Despite the fact that I'm a card carrying nazi, this isn't something I want to see, and feel would be hugely concerning for the country on the whole. We need Labour to be clearly seen to be fighting for these people. If we do go back to the centre with respect of the EU, Labour needs to make a number of very positive changes that directly improve things for the working classes. The message needs to be about class rather than identity, pointless creation of division, and all the other nonsense that comes with the left at the moment. Edited September 29, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14166 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Class is identity. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Class is identity. Discuss. Absolutely true, and I even thought about re-wording that You know what I mean though. Class is a social construct you're born into but which is only as legitimate as the society that surrounds it. The other measures of identity are not. They're solid and unchangeable, no matter what class is doing. More importantly though, addressing problems through the lens of class would create unity between the working class white and the working class minority ethnic groups. Granted, we in the middle classes would get a kicking from them, but maybe we deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Renton said: I can't keep up with all the insane contradictions of politics any more. It is a problem in many western democracies now. Skewed messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9313 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Do what the states did and elect a Reality TV star. Some chinless brogue wearer from Made in Chelsea or something. What about that head teacher from Educating Yorkshire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 31020 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Freddie Flintoff is their favourite 'reality' TV star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alex said: Freddie Flintoff is their favourite 'reality' TV star How's Peter Andre going? Still up to date with Warnie are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27049 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 9 hours ago, ewerk said: When you get caught off guard by the election that you called. I think she needs to be rebooted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 10 hours ago, ewerk said: When you get caught off guard by the election that you called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Out of order that as well as everything that's kicking off over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27049 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Strong leadership there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27049 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Edited October 2, 2017 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4981 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Has any referendum ever had a positive impact on any country anywhere? They're not going to get independence. They should do, if 90% of them want it, but it's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27049 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 There's been a few useful ones in Ireland. But we have a written constitution, hence the need for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3311 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Has any referendum ever had a positive impact on any country anywhere? They're not going to get independence. They should do, if 90% of them want it, but it's not going to happen. You're blaming referenda not the fuckwits who vote in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 27049 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18230 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Brilliant, he does actually look like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6139 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36087 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) May asked if she resents being called the Maybot, responds. "I'm certainly somebody with feelings. I don't recognise that characterisation of myself." She'd gave sounded less like a fucking robot if she'd just screamed "DOES NOT COMPUTE" like a dalek at the reporter. Edited October 3, 2017 by Gemmill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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