Rayvin 1,312 Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 I guess its also likely down to alienation of the left. Fair point ewerk, that would explain the 9 point fall in Labour voters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,148 Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 As we’ve discussed before, there’s a consistent 40% of the country who want Brexit ‘done’, who want less foreigners and who are generally nasty people who will excuse this government’s incompetence and corruption. A swing of a few points in one poll isn’t anything to get worried about at this stage. Falling only 9% among the Labour membership isn’t a bad result given Corbyn’s previous popularity but again is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of getting rid of the Tories at the next election. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayvin 1,312 Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) I'm not saying that it's significant, I'm merely remarking that it happened. And we appear to be aligned on everything else. EDIT - although I do think he needs to be careful with that 9%. Labour can't afford to lose, frankly, anyone. Edited November 22, 2020 by Rayvin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobinRobin 408 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 20/11/2020 at 17:27, Rayvin said: Whereas in this country we drop the pretense and literally just elect the devil outright. Fairy Nuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobinRobin 408 Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 20/11/2020 at 19:32, PaddockLad said: From the neck down she looks like a medium Oak Furniture land Ltd chest of draws So ... wood? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,939 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 I’m glad nobody outside Labour pays attention to the NEC or the Corbynites. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,939 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 South Shields REPRESENT 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeys Fist 6,975 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tom said: South Shields REPRESENT I’m surprised the Six-Fingered Specials haven’t claimed him as a MLF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meenzer 3,885 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 https://www.instagram.com/p/CH74UtxpFtY/ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeys Fist 6,975 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 “Tinted pedo specs” They’re not wrong, mind. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Gloom 2,925 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 I was sad to hear Suzanne Moore was forced to leave the Guardian. Here she explains why https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/?=frlh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayvin 1,312 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: I was sad to hear Suzanne Moore was forced to leave the Guardian. Here she explains why https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/?=frlh Thanks for sharing that, it's a fascinating insight. I don't have the highest opinion of Moore, I think she's a thinly veiled misandrist, but it's illuminating how the Guardian has effectively shunted her out over trans rights issues. I'm on the Guardian side of that debate in truth, I think a lot of the pushback from feminists is coming from this idea that trans people are now coming to be seen as more 'hard done by' than women in their eyes - having said that, she absolutely should be able to make her views clear without 300+ colleagues denouncing her ffs. I won't miss her columns but I'm sorry to hear it ended in the way it did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Gloom 2,925 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 i was struck by what she said about being censored more by the left than the right. "the left" in this country really has got itself into a bit of a pickle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayvin 1,312 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, Dr Gloom said: i was struck by what she said about being censored more by the left than the right. "the left" in this country really has got itself into a bit of a pickle. Yes absolutely, the left has been far too intolerant of opposing views and dialogue for some time. I've fallen foul of it myself. It does sound though from another line she's put in there, that it's more pressure coming from Guardian US than it is from Guardian UK. And the left wing movement in the US over social justice issues is far more highly charged (rightly) than it is here. Another example perhaps of a 'broad church' organisation not really being able to live up to what it claims to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,939 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 https://www.instagram.com/reel/CIA9LMVlM_h/?igshid=zjv0pkeh17yo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Dr Gloom 2,925 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 the new series of noddy is shit 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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ewerk 6,148 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: the new series of noddy is shit Dappy has let himself go. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayvin 1,312 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Starmer to back the government's Brexit deal if it manages to find one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ewerk 6,148 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 That would be a mistake IMO. They shouldn’t vote against but voting for the deal means that when Starmer criticises the deal at any point over the next four years then the Tories are going to come back every time with ‘well you voted for it’. Abstaining wouldn’t be the best tactic to win back the ‘red wall’ but overall would be the safest option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rayvin 1,312 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, ewerk said: That would be a mistake IMO. They shouldn’t vote against but voting for the deal means that when Starmer criticises the deal at any point over the next four years then the Tories are going to come back every time with ‘well you voted for it’. Abstaining wouldn’t be the best tactic to win back the ‘red wall’ but overall would be the safest option. Presumably the red wall seats are more important than the ability to say 'I told you so' as far as Starmer is concerned. Suggests that in reality, they think Brexit had a much bigger influence on last year's election than they've let on. I think they're damned either way - this move will cost them votes too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin Carr's Gloves 498 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 53 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Presumably the red wall seats are more important than the ability to say 'I told you so' as far as Starmer is concerned. Suggests that in reality, they think Brexit had a much bigger influence on last year's election than they've let on. I think they're damned either way - this move will cost them votes too. It will fuck them in Scotland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaddockLad 2,615 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: It will fuck them in Scotland They're fucked anyway Looks like it will need independence and Labour to be capitalising on a poor SNP government for Labour to be strong in Scotland again...by which time it'll be pointless in regards to Westminster as Scotland will be independent..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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