The Fish 9063 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 That just sounds gross... It is. And I've had to look at it just get worse and worse and worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Your optimism is admirable. But it doesn't change the fact that Carver is capable of relegating us, and given more time, almost certainly would. Over a full season, we would be down. I actually think if there were another 10 games to run we'd be down. We may well get away with this, but it'll only be because there were insufficient games remaining for the other teams. Not because we're better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9063 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Your optimism is admirable. But it doesn't change the fact that Carver is capable of relegating us, and given more time, almost certainly would. Over a full season, we would be down. I actually think if there were another 10 games to run we'd be down. We may well get away with this, but it'll only be because there were insufficient games remaining for the other teams. Not because we're better. You're right, my "optimism" doesn't change that hypothetical scenario. But others' pessimism doesn't change my hypothetical scenario where Mourinho takes over for the next 4 games and we win all 12 points, finishing 10th thanks to the perfect permutation of results. However as neither hypothetical can happen it's a bit daft to worry or get excited by either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 So, my point is that we're going to be cutting it sufficiently fine that the optimism is neither here nor there. This campaign has been an utter embarrassment and I expect exactly the same next year (following on from the same last year), which means that I'm relatively indifferent about the exact point in time Ashley finally manages to relegate us through incompetence. This year we've been as bad as I've ever seen us, so why not. Just to clarify - this is not a scenario that is worrying me. I have only thinly veiled contempt now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2455 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I hope we can get to mathematical safety soon so MT can get on with the important business of worrying if we're going to get relegated next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12799 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 I hope we can get to mathematical safety soon so MT can get on with the important business of worrying if we're going to get relegated next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Is anyone that bothered if we do go down? Meh. Yeah, but I'd come to terms with it soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9063 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 So, my point is that we're going to be cutting it sufficiently fine that the optimism is neither here nor there. This campaign has been an utter embarrassment and I expect exactly the same next year (following on from the same last year), which means that I'm relatively indifferent about the exact point in time Ashley finally manages to relegate us through incompetence. This year we've been as bad as I've ever seen us, so why not. Just to clarify - this is not a scenario that is worrying me. I have only thinly veiled contempt now. I don't think next season will have the same end as this because next season we won't have John Carver in charge for the final run. I confidently predict we'll finish around 10th-12th and that will be the case for the foreseeable future. What I don't see is; a) nobody joining as head coach because NUFC are the footballing equivalent of the Ebola virus 2) John Carver being employed as full time head coach iii) all our good players being sold and nobody being brought in four) the same unpredictable collapse in results we've had this year. Before Pardew left we had 26 points from 19 games, right? Pardew is a bad-to-average tactician/motivator/coach. If we get an average coach I'd anticipate the same points return at the very least. I'd also expect whoever comes in not to Carver the end of the season (maybe Pardew it as the lack of motivation trickles from the top) with a points return of 9 from 15 games. Mind you last year after 19 games we had 33 points (1.74ppg), then in the next 19 we took 16 (0.84ppg), that's a 52% drop. That malaise must be addressed either with a cup run , or with the introduction of new players in the January window. If Charnley et al believe that there's no value to be found in January, why not simply buy the players now and have them play for their originating club until January? They still get the "value" but get the bonus of added impetus at a time when it's clear we need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34997 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah, but I'd come to terms with it soon enough. You are a brave little soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9063 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah, but I'd come to terms with it soon enough. Would you predict relegation from the Championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19883 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 fish, will you please stop saying stuff like "we're not going down" and "carver won't be given the job". you're going to put the hex on us. don't you remember what happened to stevie when he made such confident predictions? it's the stuff of forum legend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9063 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 fish, will you please stop saying stuff like "we're not going down" and "carver won't be given the job". you're going to put the hex on us. don't you remember what happened to stevie when he made such confident predictions? it's the stuff of forum legend Eurgh, fine, but only because I'm considerate of all you dozy fuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Liverpool fans have flew a banner of "Rodgers out - Rafa in" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Liverpool fans have flew a banner of "Rodgers out - Rafa in" / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonMarshy 2 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 villa 1-0 up already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Here we go, Mackems 1-0 up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 2 points above the drop zone as it stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Luckily the mackem defence is even worse than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Get in Southampton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 If we're relying on Sunderland for ourselves to stay up... then I'm actually quite optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12480 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 The scary thing is they can score, this is one of the best defences in the league they're against and we cant score against Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @@Howay Was a penatly tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12480 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 @@Howay Was a penatly tbf Suppose it means they're able to get a football near the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Villa 2-0 up now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It really is all eyes on Sunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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