Gemmill 35303 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 That video was a brutal watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tom said: Take some refugees I agree that we should and I’m sure we will She was talking about no fly zones… is that to allow people to escape? I maybe wrongly assumed that it was to shoot down any Russian air attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 The Russian Defence Minister has accused Ukraine of using residential infrastructure as shields to protect their military assets. This means Russia will be indiscriminate in their attacks from now on. Ukraine's two major cities will be hell on earth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26738 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Toonpack said: There is no good outcome outside of toppling Putin somehow It’s hard to see where he goes from here. If he fails in Ukraine he is humiliated. If he succeeds then his country continues to face financial ruin. To go into Ukraine in the first place was a bizarre decision. It’s lose/lose for him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 If that link Tom posted the other day is accurate then they've been quite clear on motivations. They're restoring the Russian empire. Ukraine as a separate entity was an unforgivable sin, and Putin has taken it upon himself to resolve the issue on behalf of future generations of Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20030 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 unbelievable bravery 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Why do the Russians have a Z On their vehicles? Are they trying to look as evil as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20030 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Tom said: Why do the Russians have a Z On their vehicles? Are they trying to look as evil as possible? to avoid friendly fire - it's a marker so they can indentify their own vehicles on the battlefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom said: Why do the Russians have a Z On their vehicles? Are they trying to look as evil as possible? To avoid friendly fire apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Yeh I mean 🇷🇺 their flag doesn’t look evil. Just hoy that on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6321 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, Rayvin said: If that link Tom posted the other day is accurate then they've been quite clear on motivations. They're restoring the Russian empire. Ukraine as a separate entity was an unforgivable sin, and Putin has taken it upon himself to resolve the issue on behalf of future generations of Russians. If they're targeting the non-NATO nations then Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan & Belarus must be pretty fucking nervous as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14131 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 What's changed, Marine?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20030 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Craig said: If they're targeting the non-NATO nations then Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan & Belarus must be pretty fucking nervous as well. finland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6321 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: finland! Well, yes. I was focusing on the former Soviet states. Sweden as well are a risk if Finland are. I of course neglected to mention the nation of this fine fella .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Surely they won’t have the stomach for more war after this? For a start an army runs on morale & those 2nd phase Russian troops are going to be seeing a lot of destroyed Russian vehicles & Russian corpses, for a war they were suppose to piss. They’ve been lied to. Secondly surely the county will be a skint sooner rather than later owing to the sanctions introduced, which will only get worse. Thirdly they’re trying to occupy Ukraine with a force of less than 200,000 troops. Some of those cities are absolutely huge and perfect for guerrilla warfare. They’ve no chance of taking control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6997 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Aim was roll in and install a puppet government, that'd only work if the army/police and machinery of state would roll over for any puppet government. Not going to happen. Could be Putin's Viet Nam, win the staged battles but lose the war. He's got the firepower to take the cities (but it'll be messy and tragic) but no way has he the numbers to subjugate or hold anything like the whole country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 It's really hard to say. You could argue everything you've just said there quite comfortably but equally take the view that Russia would become much more effective if they started invading States like a super power rather than a this fairly minimal effort. If they start levelling cities then they might just grab as much as they can as quickly as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6997 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It's really hard to say. You could argue everything you've just said there quite comfortably but equally take the view that Russia would become much more effective if they started invading States like a super power rather than a this fairly minimal effort. If they start levelling cities then they might just grab as much as they can as quickly as they can. You can grab what you like, but holding and pacifying it is another matter. Also his logistics for the army/troops are an utter shambles: Check the expiry date on these captured rations: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 This thread on the logistics is eye opening, they’re using civilian radio ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20030 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom said: This thread on the logistics is eye opening, they’re using civilian radio ffs! i just read that. hard to know what to believe because that is actually unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Given they’re lack of performance & direction it’s very believable! Especially looking at rations that are 7 years out of date…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39068 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 I read that the troops are using their mobiles to communicate- Ukraine blocked all Russian signals so they’re taking civilian phones, which Ukraine have set up a system to report and block stolen phones for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 So look, then we get back to why they've been so useless. I can't believe this is the true weight of Russian military capability, it simply isn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6441 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: So look, then we get back to why they've been so useless. I can't believe this is the true weight of Russian military capability, it simply isn't possible. Rope-a-dope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13895 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: So look, then we get back to why they've been so useless. I can't believe this is the true weight of Russian military capability, it simply isn't possible. My mate Aaron is an expert on all things russia so if he deems this to be true I trust him. We’ve still got nukes to worry about like. 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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