Alexander Isak

[AgentAxeman 587]

53 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

so really, howe just needs to nut the cunt?

Jason Tindall enters the chat.....

[Howmanheyman 43932]

1 hour ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

so really, howe just needs to nut the cunt?

 

Offer a short term consultancy job to 'Pards' for the task or if you want an all round shoeing and menacing threat see if Souness can do a week's work offering him on in the gym.

[gurru991 84]

It's a very short career in top-level football & players with ambition can't afford to stay at a club that is slowly developing. Isak's chances of winning cups increases playing for Liverpool or PSG. Every player kisses the badge but at the end of the day it's a cut throat business & a player has to do what's best for him. 

Isak's value is pretty good right now & there is very little value in hanging on to an unhappy player.

 

[Christmas Tree 6697]

1 minute ago, gurru991 said:

It's a very short career in top-level football & players with ambition can't afford to stay at a club that is slowly developing. Isak's chances of winning cups increases playing for Liverpool or PSG. Every player kisses the badge but at the end of the day it's a cut throat business & a player has to do what's best for him. 

Isak's value is pretty good right now & there is very little value in hanging on to an unhappy player.

 

Not another guru !

 

[OTF 10612]

4 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

It's a very short career in top-level football & players with ambition can't afford to stay at a club that is slowly developing. Isak's chances of winning cups increases playing for Liverpool or PSG. Every player kisses the badge but at the end of the day it's a cut throat business & a player has to do what's best for him. 

Isak's value is pretty good right now & there is very little value in hanging on to an unhappy player.

 

At one point in time players had a sense of loyalty to their team and their teammates. That rarely runs beneath the surface these days. The money in the game has brought the unscrupulous agents and they are the ones continually in players ears about what they could be getting elsewhere for their own self interest. Combine that with the FA, FIFA etc all protecting their financial positions with payments that favour the powerhouse teams who they can't afford to lose from their competitions. It's shit and it's unfortunately only going to get worse. The only loyalty is from the supporters who suffer the ingrained injustices yet still fiercely support their team. These too will become fewer and fewer with more and more kids simply jumping aboard the bandwagons of the most financially dominant.. err "best" teams.

[gurru991 84]

10 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Not another guru !

 

???????????

[gurru991 84]

1 minute ago, OTF said:

At one point in time players had a sense of loyalty to their team and their teammates. That rarely runs beneath the surface these days. The money in the game has brought the unscrupulous agents and they are the ones continually in players ears about what they could be getting elsewhere for their own self interest. Combine that with the FA, FIFA etc all protecting their financial positions with payments that favour the powerhouse teams who they can't afford to lose from their competitions. It's shit and it's unfortunately only going to get worse. The only loyalty is from the supporters who suffer the ingrained injustices yet still fiercely support their team. These too will become fewer and fewer with more and more kids simply jumping aboard the bandwagons of the most financially dominant.. err "best" teams.

Well said !!!

 

[ewerk 39232]

3 minutes ago, OTF said:

The money in the game has brought the unscrupulous agents and they are the ones continually in players ears about what they could be getting elsewhere for their own self interest.

It’s worth noting that Isak’s agent only has a handful of decent players and none even close to Isak’s level. He’s their cash cow and a big move for him would be a huge pay day for them.

[gurru991 84]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

It’s worth noting that Isak’s agent only has a handful of decent players and none even close to Isak’s level. He’s their cash cow and a big move for him would be a huge pay day for them.

Fans view the game as a sport .... For clubs & agents, it's a business.

[Christmas Tree 6697]

9 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

Well said !!!

 

Just a board in-joke as we have a few posters claiming to be the biggest Guru  

[gurru991 84]

6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Just a board in-joke as we have a few posters claiming to be the biggest Guru  

I may be the biggest guru but I'm on a diet & trying to lose weight  !!!

[wykikitoon 28542]

https://archive.is/z3kCj

[Gemmill 63194]

Nicholas Jackson added to our list of targets according to that. 😬

[Holden McGroin 9902]

53 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

https://archive.is/z3kCj

what a load of shite.

 

Watkins, Nicolas Jackson, Wissa and Benjamin Sesko. 
 

Watkins is too old to splash big cash on.

Jackson is pretty shite (although Eddie might be able to get a tune out of him).

 

id take the other two.

Edited July 26 by Holden McGroin

[Holden McGroin 9902]

Im surprised Darwin Nunez isn’t mentioned.

[Zathras 391]

I hate it from my perspective, but could I honestly say that if a competing employer offered me 33% more in wages than my current employer was offering I wouldn't jump at the chance to move? Even if the intangibles at my current employer was great, that's a hefty amount of money and quite frankly for the good of my family, it would be irresponsible not to take that option.  

 

Of course, the difference between $100k/year and $133k/year is a far cry from $200/week vs. $300/week.

 

Ultimately what it does is decrease my (emotional) investment in the team / sport as a whole.

Edited July 26 by Zathras

[wykikitoon 28542]

22 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

what a load is shite.

 

Watkins, Nicolas Jackson, Wissa and Benjamin Sesko. 
 

Watkins is too old to splash big cash on.

Jackson is pretty shite (although Eddie might be able to get a tune out of him).

 

id take the other two.

Man you're gonna be even more disappointed when we sign DCL instead 🤣

[Renton 27781]

2 hours ago, Zathras said:

I hate it from my perspective, but could I honestly say that if a competing employer offered me 33% more in wages than my current employer was offering I wouldn't jump at the chance to move? Even if the intangibles at my current employer was great, that's a hefty amount of money and quite frankly for the good of my family, it would be irresponsible not to take that option.  

 

Of course, the difference between $100k/year and $133k/year is a far cry from $200/week vs. $300/week.

 

Ultimately what it does is decrease my (emotional) investment in the team / sport as a whole.

 

Well, on the other hand, I personally took a pay cut of at least 30% this year due to reasons of personal integrity and public service. I earn less in a year than Isak does in a week currently, shortly that will be less than he earns in a couple of days. I'm not a particular moral person or anything, but even though every pound I earn means much more to me than people like Isak, cos I need it to live, how I earn it is more important to me than him.

 

Oh, it's a short career people say. Well okay, whatever. They're good at kicking a plastic ball around a pitch, they're good at making money, they're good at having no decent human attributes like basic loyalty. They're just a reflection  of the World we live in, a world that is fucking on fire. Ultimately just fortunate idiots who are pawns like the rest of us.

[Dougle 4598]

5 hours ago, gurru991 said:

It's a very short career in top-level football & players with ambition can't afford to stay at a club that is slowly developing. Isak's chances of winning cups increases playing for Liverpool or PSG. Every player kisses the badge but at the end of the day it's a cut throat business & a player has to do what's best for him. 

Isak's value is pretty good right now & there is very little value in hanging on to an unhappy player.

 

 

How you, stop being childish and boring

[Zathras 391]

I've taken a 30% pay cut ($130k to 90k) to move from private to public practice as well, so I'm not entirely opposed to that argument.  But these are two different companies in the same line of work, both in the same space in the industry.  He's not moving from England to Spain, he is not moving to a more or less "socially acceptable" club (unless  you want to get into the Saudi bullshit, which I don't think is anything to do with it and would be a mark in favor of the move to Liverpool anyways).  I don't see it as the same thing.  But you're not entirely off base either.  

 

Fact of the matter is that apart from Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Man City, and maybe one or two others, there's always a move that can be perceived as "up" or more prestigious.  We might get there (if the PSR bullshit doesn't completely derail the process as opposed to making it take 15-20 years instead of the 5 it took the Chelski/ManCity types) but realistically we are not there yet.  

 

And to a large extent, I also am just trying to insulate myself from the anger and frustration anyways.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26 by Zathras

[ThatGinolaVolley 307]

It's OK to want to leave for more money. But there are ways to go about it without being a cunt to your current club and suppporters.

 

Trying to force your way out for more money by having hissy fits, feigning injuries, refusing to play, letting your agent leak things to the press etc, when you are already paid 100k a week, makes you a greedy cunt in my book.  

 

That is a general point by the way, not necessarily directed at Isak - hard to wade through all the shit in the media to work out exactly which of the above, if any, he is guilty of.

[Renton 27781]

30 minutes ago, Zathras said:

I've taken a 30% pay cut ($130k to 90k) to move from private to public practice as well, so I'm not entirely opposed to that argument.  But these are two different companies in the same line of work, both in the same space in the industry.  He's not moving from England to Spain, he is not moving to a more or less "socially acceptable" club (unless  you want to get into the Saudi bullshit, which I don't think is anything to do with it and would be a mark in favor of the move to Liverpool anyways).  I don't see it as the same thing.  But you're not entirely off base either.  

 

Fact of the matter is that apart from Real Madrid, Barca, PSG, Man City, and maybe one or two others, there's always a move that can be perceived as "up" or more prestigious.  We might get there (if the PSR bullshit doesn't completely derail the process as opposed to making it take 15-20 years instead of the 5 it took the Chelski/ManCity types) but realistically we are not there yet.  

 

And to a large extent, I also am just trying to insulate myself from the anger and frustration anyways.

 

 

 

 

 

My comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, and interesting you've done the same as me Zathras. Hail fellow public servant wanker! You're point about Isak being in the same private scope of work is noted.

 

Not going to argue about the rest, this thread and dozens or hundreds, even thousands, like it around the web will argue about player wages and player loyalty. I'm just adding to this,.people don't always need to follow the money, sometimes their are bigger things. And even if that's your path, you can and should respect the people who got you there. 

 

I'll always love the moments Isak gave me, the 50,000 in the stadium, the millions watching it on TV/video. But I loved it whoever scored. There will always be another Isak for us. If he moves to Liverpool, he'll get more money, more team success most likely, but ultimately, he'll most likely be a footnote at Anfield compared to a legend at SJP.

 

Edited July 26 by Renton

[Gemmill 63194]

Just to offer a couter argument here. If the option on the table when you took your paycut had been "a massive payrise and an improvement in pretty much every single employment prospect that matters to you", that's the job you'd have taken. 

 

When you're a professional footballer, your football club is your employer. It makes no sense to think that these lads should stick around "because the fans" or "because loyalty". Wanting to leave for better opportunities doesn't make him a reflection of everything that's wrong with society, it just makes him ambitious and, quite honestly, normal. 

Edited July 27 by Gemmill

[OTF 10612]

9 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Just to offer a couter argument here. If the option on the table when you took your paycut had been "a massive payrise and an improvement in pretty much every single employment prospect that matters to you", that's the job you'd have taken. 

 

When you're a professional footballer, your football club is your employer. It makes no sense to think that these lads should stick around "because the fans" or "because loyalty". Wanting to leave for better opportunities doesn't make him a reflection of everything that's wrong with society, it just makes him ambitious and, quite honestly, normal. 

 

There's no point in comparing a regular job with that of a professional footballer making say £8m a year.

 

What also doesn't get mentioned is that the aggressive movement of players based on having one or two good seasons in their heading into prime years is just another way that the talent pool is hogged by the mega clubs. They're the only teams who can pay those wages, so instead of a team being able to improve their position through holding onto these players and in doing so increasing their appeal, prize money and revenue which can be realised again and again resulting in real growth and progress, they get a one time reward that they then have to rinse and repeat hoping to bring on players who can develop to once again be sold. The amount of talent being wasted on the bench or not even on the bench at these massive clubs is huge.

[john 110]

16 hours ago, Holden McGroin said:

what a load of shite.

 

Watkins, Nicolas Jackson, Wissa and Benjamin Sesko. 
 

Watkins is too old to splash big cash on.

Jackson is pretty shite (although Eddie might be able to get a tune out of him).

 

id take the other two.

I would take michael or Jermaine over Nicholas Jackson,  even fucking Janet!