Alexander Isak

[Chaser 1919]

6 minutes ago, Polarboy said:

I'll caveat what I'm about to say by stating that I fully agree with and support the chants by the away support at the end, but do chants and sentiment like that from our fans weaken our negotiating hand, if only slightly. What I mean is that having Isak staying on the table in the negotiations obviously strengthens our hand. Conversely, if it's obvious that prospect of Isak being reintegrated is close to impossible given fan sentiment, then Liverpool are aware that we'll almost certainly be desperate to get rid.

 

I agree but also agree that fans are absolutely entitled to show their displeasure at someone who is now refusing to play for us, someone who should be integral to the team and someone who should show respect to his team mates and his manager given his trajectory since coming to us.

[trophyshy 9004]

8 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

We all follow this club for Craig's benefit, deep down.

We are but NPCs in the Craigiverse.  

[trooper 1058]

Sounds like the players (Gordon "its going to be wild") are expecting SJP to be noisy against Liverpool. If the chants have to be unpleasant that's the way it goes. The only ones who have caused any unpleasantness are Liverpool & Isak. I'm sure our players manager & fans will all do themselves proud at SJP. 

[Renton 27781]

38 minutes ago, trooper said:

Sounds like the players (Gordon "its going to be wild") are expecting SJP to be noisy against Liverpool. If the chants have to be unpleasant that's the way it goes. The only ones who have caused any unpleasantness are Liverpool & Isak. I'm sure our players manager & fans will all do themselves proud at SJP. 

 

Gonna be one hell of a night. If there's any Liverpool fans at what ever Ibiza bar am at, I'm going to slightly tut and show my displeasure....

[Kitman 2869]

I think what Isak doesn't realise is that he's painted himself into a corner by his actions. He's fucked his market value by acting the cunt, leaving Liverpool

as the only game in town. Liverpool have low-balled and by deliberately tapping him up and creating this situation, I expect the club will be determined not to sell to them at any price. Also they will want to show that they wont be disrespected and fucked around by any player and his agent. He's fucked his relationship with the supporters, making reintegration a long hard road if not impossible.

 

I honestly dont see how this resolves itself unless a Saudi club comes in with 130 mill and even then he will probably refuse to go there.  If it goes tits up for him and his career that's on him and his agent, and he'll deserve it. I just hope there are consequences for this to him, his agent and of course Liverpool.

[Craig 12380]

2 hours ago, Polarboy said:

I'll caveat what I'm about to say by stating that I fully agree with and support the chants by the away support at the end, but do chants and sentiment like that from our fans weaken our negotiating hand, if only slightly. What I mean is that having Isak staying on the table in the negotiations obviously strengthens our hand. Conversely, if it's obvious that the prospect of Isak being reintegrated is close to impossible given fan sentiment, then Liverpool will be aware that we'll almost certainly be desperate to get rid.

On the contrary, I think if the paying support didn’t voice their opinion it would be a sign of weakness.

 

This is a player who up until 4 weeks ago has been in receipt of nothing but universal and unconditional adoration from our supporter base.
 

For them to demonstrate undeniably how appalling his conduct has been underpins the key fact that no one player is bigger than the a club - not even one who will command a British Record Fee and whose ability is a demonstrable loss right now.

 

The owners aren’t stupid. They don’t see that as a springboard to flog him to Liverpool, they know we hold those cunts in just as much contempt as we do ‘Team Isak’.

 

Next week will be an eye opener. I sincerely hope Wor Flag’s theme is along the lines of togetherness and being a team for the banners and TIFO. I expect once the match starts there’ll be choice words to be said about Liverpool, but we ought to keep our views on Isak until after the final whistle again.

 

I sincerely hope we absolutely batter those fuckers

[toonotl 4681]

 

Spot on.

[BobHopeandNoHope 771]

5 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

as a kid I remember being devastated when spermac was sold.

waddle, bearsdley, gascoigne it all pretty much became par for the course in the 80s, waddle I seem to remember was probably given the most shit from the terraces with the judas chants.

I don't recall though with any of the above feeling the intense hatred I've got for this cunt.

id actually piss meself laughing if he ended up at the dippers and the cunt got a leg shattered in the first minute of his debut.

pathetic excuse for a man.

Aye I was the same around then, it just became expected. Supermac getting sold was like fuck, how are we gonna score goals, probably my favourite player and from his home debut hat trick against the rats was totally hooked, even as a bairn. Just a shame one week we were world beaters and the next week, piss poor. Then through the 80s of the misery of seeing the three you mentioned leaving …and it was just like here we go again. A lot of it then though was mainly the shit Chairmen and fuckin hangers on in the boardroom (as I remember it anyway) but this fucker …came here with hardly a brilliant record behind him, and we were the only ones willing to take a punt on him,  aye obviously got talent, but he’s been brilliantly coached, had the support of great team mates, as well as the fans, he’ll never get a display from fans wherever he goes from now on like he did that night with the flag etc. I know players move on blah blah blah, but this cunt should be punched in the face and told to show just a smidgeon of gratitude to his team mates, his manager and staff and the fans too, we genuinely could have been title contenders (hopefully we still can be) , is that not good enough for the greedy twat? I really hope he doesn’t go to the murderers but I do hope he fucks off somewhere abroad and turns to utter shit and gets even more injuries. Cheers for the goal at Wembley, but you’ve tarnished your reputation from back then, and will never be held in high esteem here anymore you snakey cunt. And just an afterthought….it’s probably your scumbag agent who arranged your house getting screwed! Now where’s that jack Daniels I need another drink now 🥃

[Holden McGroin 9902]

If we get Wissa in and he scores I think the roof will come off.

[Gemmill 63192]

Do we reckon for more fuckery from Liverpool this week? Another bid to maximise the disruption? 

[Holden McGroin 9902]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Do we reckon for more fuckery from Liverpool this week? Another bid to maximise the disruption? 

100%. Another low ball bid and some Ornstein leaks would be my guess. It would be stupid though as it will intensify the crowd even more.

[thebrokendoll 14243]

6 hours ago, Craig said:

On the contrary, I think if the paying support didn’t voice their opinion it would be a sign of weakness.

 

its exactly what these fuckers want...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdx0wgxlkzpo

 

we already know what the narrative is, we've had it rammed down our throats for weeks now, isak isn't gonna play for us ever again he's only on his way to the murderers.

I'm at ease with the former now, not so the latter, anything but.

once september 2nd comes around and he's  either still here or been sold abroad then I want a free for all on the skinny cunt.

I'll happily sing songs about him being a greedy bastard, his mother being a whore, his legs getting snapped or the cunt driving a green lamborghini,, I really don't care.

I just don't want anything to potentially hasten his way to self pity city.

 

 

 

Edited August 17 by thebrokendoll

[toonotl 4681]

31 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Do we reckon for more fuckery from Liverpool this week? Another bid to maximise the disruption? 

 

You'd have to assume that it's almost guaranteed, right?

 

It'd be a great week if we sign Wissa, then reject a bid from those cunts. Moves us from "we don't have a striker, no", to "we have a striker, but, hey, he ain't Isak, so no". It'd be one further step to show them (and Isak) that we won't be pushed around.

 

The ultimate would be also signing Isak's "replacement" and still telling them to fuck off when they come knocking.

 

What are the odds he actually ends up at Liverpool? Maybe it's just wishful thinking but there's definitely a non-zero % chance the PIF just outright refuses to sell him to Liverpool regardless of price.

[Andrew 7475]

53 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Do we reckon for more fuckery from Liverpool this week? Another bid to maximise the disruption? 

 

I think at this point it would be counter-productive for them.

A lot of the punditry world has turned against Isak for his behaviour, Liverpool need to distance themselves from it a bit.

I genuinely don't think we'll see another bid from them this window.

[Christmas Tree 6697]

Putting all emotions to one side, the bottom line is we now have a depreciating asset that is going to piss all over our PSR in a few years when Isak is long gone.
 

The only scenarios that could benefit the club are;

 

1. He signs a new contract with a good release clause combined with another fantastic season. His value stays the same or goes up.

 

2. Someone new comes in with a higher late bid before 1st September. (Unlikely).

 

If I was at Liverpool and the phone call comes through from Newcastle we will be desperate sellers and I might even reduce my bid.

 

Not too sure how we get out of this now without inflicting financial self harm.

[thebrokendoll 14243]

12 minutes ago, Andrew said:

I genuinely don't think we'll see another bid from them this window.

 

it'll come a week tuesday i think and uninvited, despite their laughable attempt at being considerate.

we're in for a week of that cunt from the athletic and the knob from naples rehashing tweets of how newcastle's support has made their feelings clear, how he's still not training with the rest of the team and how he only wants liverpool.

 

Edited August 17 by thebrokendoll

[toonotl 4681]

9 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

its exactly what these fuckers want...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cdx0wgxlkzpo

 

we already know what the narrative is, we've had it rammed down our throats for weeks now, isak isn't gonna play for us ever again he's only on his way to the murderers.

I'm at ease with the former now, not so the latter, anything but.

once september 2nd comes around and he's  either still here or been sold abroad then I want a free for all on the skinny cunt.

I'll happily sing songs about him being a greedy bastard, his mother being a whore, his legs getting snapped or the cunt driving a green lamborghini,, I really don't care.

I just don't want anything to potentially hasten his way to self pity city.

 

Fuck that. I'm glad the away support got on his case. Shows solidarity. There's no reason to act dishonestly based on fear about the media narrative being used against us. The chants were an honest expression of everyone's feelings. I'm happy about it.

 

The crowd at SJP next weekend is going to be putrid and, yeah, it likely solidifies the reality that Isak's place at the club is untenable. But it also shows the PIF that selling Isak to Liverpool will not be received kindly by the supporters. Did you see Gordon talking about next week? He could barely contain his excitement about what is about to be served up to Liverpool.

Plus, I tend to agree with Andrew's sentiment that the likelihood Isak goes to Liverpool is decreasing everyday. I am not as convinced they're the ones in charge of that. And I'm certainly not convinced they're wise enough to know when to walk away. For example, it is apparent to everyone their opening bid was designed to be rejected. Yet, it didn't appear to occur to them that it would be seen as such and ultimately turned to be used against them. Much like Isak, they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in this saga, despite the advantages they have in manipulating the media narrative.

 

In saying that, there's a reasonable chance you're right @Andrew. Perhaps it's that I'm just hoping Liverpool bid again because I think there's basically no chance it's accepted, less chance it destabilizes the squad, and every chance it makes their job at SJP even harder. 

[ewerk 39231]

20 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Putting all emotions to one side, the bottom line is we now have a depreciating asset that is going to piss all over our PSR in a few years when Isak is long gone.
 

The only scenarios that could benefit the club are;

 

1. He signs a new contract with a good release clause combined with another fantastic season. His value stays the same or goes up.

 

2. Someone new comes in with a higher late bid before 1st September. (Unlikely).

 

If I was at Liverpool and the phone call comes through from Newcastle we will be desperate sellers and I might even reduce my bid.

 

Not too sure how we get out of this now without inflicting financial self harm.

We can reasonably afford to let him rot in the reserves. This is no longer about money.

 

[thebrokendoll 14243]

21 minutes ago, toonotl said:

 

Fuck that. I'm glad the away support got on his case. Shows solidarity. There's no reason to act dishonestly based on fear about the media narrative being used against us. The chants were an honest expression of everyone's feelings. I'm happy about it.

 

The crowd at SJP next weekend is going to be putrid and, yeah, it likely solidifies the reality that Isak's place at the club is untenable. But it also shows the PIF that selling Isak to Liverpool will not be received kindly by the supporters. Did you see Gordon talking about next week? He could barely contain his excitement about what is about to be served up to Liverpool.

Plus, I tend to agree with Andrew's sentiment that the likelihood Isak goes to Liverpool is decreasing everyday. I am not as convinced they're the ones in charge of that. And I'm certainly not convinced they're wise enough to know when to walk away. For example, it is apparent to everyone their opening bid was designed to be rejected. Yet, it didn't appear to occur to them that it would be seen as such and ultimately turned to be used against them. Much like Isak, they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory in this saga, despite the advantages they have in manipulating the media narrative.

 

In saying that, there's a reasonable chance you're right @Andrew. Perhaps it's that I'm just hoping Liverpool bid again because I think there's basically no chance it's accepted, less chance it destabilizes the squad, and every chance it makes their job at SJP even harder. 

 

you've got more faith in the ownership not caving in than me. we've demonstrated a worryingly lack of intention to challenge anything psr/fmv with masters and his mates as an example.

if pif believe that the support, players and howe are all happy to see the back of isak then it makes it an easier decision to take the money and run.

the dippers first bid was an easy one to knock back, at this stage id be astonished if another one didn't come in considering all the work that's gone to destabilise isak even further.

I hope you're right though about pif's resolve...

we'll see.

Edited August 17 by thebrokendoll

[toonotl 4681]

17 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

you've got more faith in the ownership not caving in than me. we've demonstrated a worryingly lack of intention to challenge anything psr/fmv with masters and his mates as an example.

if pif believe that the support, players and howe are all happy to see the back of isak then it makes it an easier decision to take the money and run.

the dippers first bid was an easy one to knock back, at this stage id be astonished if another one didn't come in considering all the work that's gone to destabilise isak even further.

I hope you're right though about pif's resolve...

we'll see.

 

Yeah. That's all fair, mate.

 

I'm just hopeful that the Isak/Liverpool thing is seen as a step too far by the PIF. In my opinion, if we sell him to Liverpool, it marks the club out (and them along with it) as a soft touch. That should be cause for the PIF to refuse.

 

Not to diminish your concerns. I agree that the PIF haven't shown much backbone yet. I hope this is different in that the PIF will stand their ground in response to how direct and incendiary Liverpool have been in trying to bully us. Maybe I'm deluded! There's every chance.  

[Kitman 2869]

If there is another bid from Liverpool it'll be 120m I reckon. If we accept it, all of their cuntery will have been worth 30m off the asking price, so a job well done. If we don't accept it they can say we've been unreasonable and walk away having made Isak unselectable and weakening us considerably from a PSR  and football pov. Their shills in the press will paint us as deluded upstarts who don't deserve any sympathy; Isak and his agent will be further enraged.
 

It's hard to see how Liverpool lose from putting another lowish bid in. 

[Toonpack 15590]

29 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

you've got more faith in the ownership not caving in than me. we've demonstrated a worryingly lack of intention to challenge anything psr/fmv with masters and his mates as an example.

if pif believe that the support, players and howe are all happy to see the back of isak then it makes it an easier decision to take the money and run.

the dippers first bid was an easy one to knock back, at this stage id be astonished if another one didn't come in considering all the work that's gone to destabilise isak even further.

I hope you're right though about pif's resolve...

we'll see.

 

That bit, I think there's little we could do outside of voting against the rules, we don't have legal recourse because we haven't suffered a material loss that we can argue. That's why we're supporting City in their case as they did have a contract knocked back so can demonstrate/substantiate a loss.

 

That and the fact City's case is years ahead of any case we could start, even if we could.

Edited August 17 by Toonpack

[Andrew 7475]

I think the owners have proven themselves to not be a soft touch on selling important players through this saga already.

 

The fact that the nature our rejection of liverpools lowball offer shocked them so much that it actually crept out into the press and they've done nothing publicly since says as much to me.

And that all of the news out of newcastle since has been that Isaks been told he's not leaving. They hate being taken for mugs and their backs are up now.

I don't think we'll sell him to liverpool and if they come back I think we'll either tell them to get fucked immediately or string them along a bit and then not sell.

 

We'll then let him go elsewhere next summer.

[thebrokendoll 14243]

20 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

That bit, I think there's little we could do outside of voting against the rules, we don't have legal recourse because we haven't suffered a material loss that we can argue. That's why we're supporting City in their case as they did have a contract knocked back so can demonstrate/substantiate a loss.

 

are you sure though?

I mean that would reference fmv only, we don't know the reason why we don't have sponsorship for marketable assets like the stadium, maybe we've tried and they've been refused? I'm not saying that is the case, just that its feasible.

as regards psr, every fucker and his dog's been making their feelings clear on how corrupt it is, jordan on talksport particularly vocal, emery even wrote about it in his programme notes yesterday.

silence unsurprisingly from the sky 6 mind and us.

it's not only corrupt as fuck but blatantly anti-competitive, I'd love to see us lead the charge on it legally. we just seem to lack the appetite.

Edited August 17 by thebrokendoll

[Alex 42149]

2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said:

100%. Another low ball bid and some Ornstein leaks would be my guess. It would be stupid though as it will intensify the crowd even more.

Just thinking about that prick btw. Pitchside at the Liverpool match when he said “The story I broke this week is a huge development” or something very similar. Like he’s some sort of successor to Bernstein and Woodward. When in fact there was very little (if any) change in the player’s stance and Ornstein was just demonstrating a complete lack of integrity by parroting exactly what he’d been told to say and kowtowing to his paymasters.