Kitman

They better stand well back if they plan to cremate him, that's for sure.

John Lennon released some absolute gash like He did indeed. I think the difference between the two is outlined by Renton though in that you got the feeling there was no way Jackson would ever do anything decent ever again (plenty evidence to back that up as well). He died 10 years earlier than Wacko though...most people would agree that your forties on isn't really going to be peak of anyone's pop powers. Some artists buck the trend. Van Morrison, Tom Waits to name two. Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Leadbelly, BB.King, Lightnin' Hopkins, Johnny Cash and a few more all peaked very late. I don't think many of those had an international number one BEFORE they were forty, let alone after. Either way, it's not even about quality which is subjective, it's about transcending music. It might be that you don't like Michael Jackson. But he's been the most prominent pop culture icon for 30 year, whatever his output. True. His influence on pop culture is lasting, that's unarguable. And his music will endure far longer than his reputation as a child molesting jelly faced madman too imo. Well the earlier stuff anyway. Culture is created by mad men. I thought it was created by absinthe.

John Lennon released some absolute gash like He did indeed. I think the difference between the two is outlined by Renton though in that you got the feeling there was no way Jackson would ever do anything decent ever again (plenty evidence to back that up as well). He died 10 years earlier than Wacko though...most people would agree that your forties on isn't really going to be peak of anyone's pop powers. Some artists buck the trend. Van Morrison, Tom Waits to name two. Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Leadbelly, BB.King, Lightnin' Hopkins, Johnny Cash and a few more all peaked very late. I don't think many of those had an international number one BEFORE they were forty, let alone after. Either way, it's not even about quality which is subjective, it's about transcending music. It might be that you don't like Michael Jackson. But he's been the most prominent pop culture icon for 30 year, whatever his output. True. His influence on pop culture is lasting, that's unarguable. And his music will endure far longer than his reputation as a child molesting jelly faced madman too imo. Well the earlier stuff anyway. If someone molested your kids would you take money from the molester to let them off? I only mentioned about his reputation.....

John Lennon released some absolute gash like He did indeed. I think the difference between the two is outlined by Renton though in that you got the feeling there was no way Jackson would ever do anything decent ever again (plenty evidence to back that up as well). He died 10 years earlier than Wacko though...most people would agree that your forties on isn't really going to be peak of anyone's pop powers. Some artists buck the trend. Van Morrison, Tom Waits to name two. Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, Leadbelly, BB.King, Lightnin' Hopkins, Johnny Cash and a few more all peaked very late. I don't think many of those had an international number one BEFORE they were forty, let alone after. Either way, it's not even about quality which is subjective, it's about transcending music. It might be that you don't like Michael Jackson. But he's been the most prominent pop culture icon for 30 year, whatever his output. True. His influence on pop culture is lasting, that's unarguable. And his music will endure far longer than his reputation as a child molesting jelly faced madman too imo. Well the earlier stuff anyway.

Goody was a media invention, on the other hand Jacko invented the pop video, some legendary work. First black artist to get rotation on daytime MTV iirc. He invented the excessively expensive pop video to prop up a mediocre song maybe. What does 'rotation on daytime MTV ' mean, is that a significant achievement? And what work do you regard as legendary? Well, its been said this morning that him and Quincy Jones pulled together R & B,pop and Rock music in a way that had never been done before. I think that is pretty unarguable. Whether you liked it of course is entirely subjective. In a way he did a sort of reverse Elvis...he was (then) a black man using elements of popular music which were at the time seen as traditionally the preserve of white audiences and mixed them with what he was brought up with (R & B/Motown) to produce in the eighties two of the (and in fact the) biggest selling albums of all time. That was a huge acheivement for someone who had been up till then mostly performing in the hugely ghettoised black music industry.Motown, the home of the Jackson 5, was very successful,but mainly sold to only black kids. MTV was starting up at the time and he and his record company could see the value of huge flashy videos to promote his music to a huge new audience in what could be termed "middle America". In this, him and Quincy Jones changed the face of popular music. Maybe that's right but I don't remember music being ghetto-ised between white and black audiences when Thriller came out. Not in the UK anyway.

John Lennon released some absolute gash like He did indeed. I think the difference between the two is outlined by Renton though in that you got the feeling there was no way Jackson would ever do anything decent ever again (plenty evidence to back that up as well). He died 10 years earlier than Wacko though...most people would agree that your forties on isn't really going to be peak of anyone's pop powers. Some artists buck the trend. Van Morrison, Tom Waits to name two.

John Lennon released some absolute gash like At least in Lennon's case you can blame the decline in quality on Yoko. In Jacko's case there's no-one to blame but Bubbles

Goody was a media invention, on the other hand Jacko invented the pop video, some legendary work. First black artist to get rotation on daytime MTV iirc. He invented the excessively expensive pop video to prop up a mediocre song maybe. What does 'rotation on daytime MTV ' mean, is that a significant achievement? And what work do you regard as legendary? I thought the vid where he surrounded himself with young boys and stood in his vest in front of a wind machine shouting 'what about us?' was pretty memorable. Or do you mean legendary in a good way?

For me the quality of the music is inversely proportional to the number of high pitched 'heeeee-hee's and 'shamones'. And amount of crotch touching.

His dad was a monster by all accounts and it seems his family life consisted mainly of performing and honing skills from a very early age. For me despite all that something shone through it all. That was probably his reconstructed nose

Yup. Though Ashley probably doesn't know who Bassong is. I'm sure he does. He's the guy who's repaying part of his loan.

I heard he went to hosipital to entertain the children with his violin. He was fond of fiddling with the children.

pre season "training"?

Wouldn't be difficult to disguise himself. He could just pull off his nose and plug a different one in.

it's only human to joke about death, because in the end, death will always have the last laugh. Black humour is a coping mechanism, particularly in this country. Nowt the matter with that. Aye true, the plastic faced monster has kept me from my porn long enough- nite all this one's for Farah! It's what she would have wanted

To which Jackson replied "No Uri, I'm sure you're not."

I've never economised on bog paper. I put this down to years of using the waterproof sandpaper provided at school. I recall having a dump 'al fresco' in the woods when I was about 9 years old. It was a case of being caught short at the time but was strangely enjoyable. However as leaves were the only toilet paper available, I wasn't minded to repeat the experience.

I wonder why he's dies so young. Congenital heart defect or drug abuse?

I'm not happy he's dead but I hated his music tbh. Growing up I couldn't escape Thriller, it was bloody everywhere being played to death, like Bat Out of Hell. With the exception of Living Off the Wall and the Jackson 5, I thought his stuff was gash. Then there was the stuff with the kids, his ridiculous plastic surgery and the platitudes about 'the man in the mirror' and saving the planet etc. I realise I'm out of step here with most of the population and will be panned for bad mouthing the dead. He was undoubtedly a pivotal figure in pop culture in over three decades, a massive influence and a great talent. But I didn't like him at all, and wouldn't have minded if he hadn't recorded a single note after about 1975.

recycle in plastic Maybe they'll just shove him in a recycling bin out the back with his feet sticking out? Shamone!

Will no-one think of the children?

There's no call for that, no matter how bad they are

So true.......they vilified him when he was alive and are now morning his passing. Aye, just like the peoples princess Jade He was a successful artist but he's no Jade Goody * God Bless you Ma'am *

Bah!