David Kelly 1117 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Unfortunately Tiote's reputation goes before him and he picks up cards more than he deserves (the booking against Swansea and the sending off against the unwashed leap to mind). That said, we all know he makes stupid challenges on occasion (like the pen on Sunday) which can let him down. But you also have to consider the role in which he plays. Without looking it up, I'd be surprised if there aren't a lot of other defensive midfielders who are high up the list of yellows for this season. They are involved a lot and are there to make tackles. Inevitably they will pick up cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 297 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) We've already had the card stat war and its a myth that other DMFs get the same card ratio. Perch doesn't have the ability tiote does, so his yellows don't grate me quite as much. Edited March 12, 2013 by scoobos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 It's not really the cards that have annoyed me about Tiote's performances this season. It's the absolutely pointless and reckless tackles on players who aren't about to break or anything just Tiote "making himself known". He has been a lot better recently mind, just a shame he had to do something stupid on Sunday because he was having a good game before it. Needs to think and realise you can be effective defensively without going to ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigWalrus 0 Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Tiote is crucial to our side - a brilliant, tireless player who opposition midfielders hate playing against. One of the first names on the team sheet for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I think the above all points to the fact that this season Tiote is suffering from the teams approach being to rely on long balls much more, which is not what will involve Tiote in the game. The amount of tackles he attempts per game has dropped season on season, correspondingly, his fouls and his yellow cards have too. The number of dribbles he attempts per game have also dropped off along with his pass % (not shown but he's averaging less total passes per game now too, from almost 60 a game last year to less than 55 this year). He's been dispossessed almost half as much this season as he was last season and is fouled less and less too. This all suggests he just doesn't see as much of the ball in the middle of the park where he does his best work, is this because he doesn't want it any more or because the team and the setup don't get it to him? Conversely look at the aerial duels, which he attempts more and succeeds in more of. He's receiving more balls in the air, and less to his feet. His number of clearances this season is also higher than any other previous year, evidence of him dropping deeper to be involved but not having someone like himself in the middle of the park to release it to, resorting to a long ball clearance. “If God had wanted us to play football in the sky he'd have put grass up there” Agree with Walrus, also think the above view is backed up by the fact he's had his best games of the season in recent weeks as we have looked to pass it about more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 BBC Sport @BBCSport 2m Newcastle United midfielder Cheick Tiote appears in court charged with five offences, including fraud: http://bbc.in/11rnlg5 " Mr Tiote faces the following charges: Fraud by false representation in that in December he had a genuine Belgian driving licence, to get a UK licence. Possessing an ID document "that was false and that you knew or believed was false, namely a Belgian driving licence with the intention of using the document to establish personal information about you". Making a false statement to obtain insurance in September 2011. Driving a Chevrolet without a licence in February. Driving the Chevrolet without third party insurance on the same date." The last two made me laugh as, the 1st time I read them, I thought it was a very specific couple of laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 " Mr Tiote faces the following charges: Fraud by false representation in that in December he had a genuine Belgian driving licence, to get a UK licence. Possessing an ID document "that was false and that you knew or believed was false, namely a Belgian driving licence with the intention of using the document to establish personal information about you". Making a false statement to obtain insurance in September 2011. Driving a Chevrolet without a licence in February. Driving the Chevrolet without third party insurance on the same date." The last two made me laugh as, the 1st time I read them, I thought it was a very specific couple of laws. After the derby game my mate got refused entry into one of the bars in the town because he had Nike Air Max on. All the rest of us got in no bother (some with footwear in much worse condition). I had a similar thought to you at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 So he actually meant "not with those trainers on"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Fish 9027 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Did you just google "gay bouncer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 With the 2013/2014 Premier League season nearly upon us and card markets becoming more and more popular with bookies and punters alike, we take a look at which players were the ‘dirtiest’ last season. We have done this by not only looking at the players who were carded the most last season but also looking at which committed the most fouls. To make this a fair comparison, we have also worked out how often these players committed fouls and were booked last season as well as looking at how often they entered into challenges during the 2012/2013 season. First of all, we take a look at which players received the most bookings and red cards last season. Players With 9 or More Yellow Cards 12/13 Craig Gardner received the most cards last season, as he was booked 10 times and sent off once. Luis Suarez, Bradley Johnson and Matthew Lowton all received 10 yellow cards, while Dean Whitehead, Steven N’Zonzi and Stephane MBia all received 9 yellow cards and were sent off once. James Collins, James Perch, Leon Osman, Marouane Fellaini, Morgan Schneiderlin and Ryan Shawcross all received 9 yellow cards last season, while Ramires received 8 yellow cards and was sent off once. However, as all these players played a different amount of games last season, it is also important to see how often the players to receive 7 cards or more last season were booked or sent off. Minutes Per Card (Minimum 7 Cards) Out of all the players to receive 7 cards or more last season, Paul Scholes received one the most often as he was booked 7 times in just 769 minutes of Premier League football last season, which is no surprise considering his record. Dean Whitehead received a card every 139 minutes last season, while Newcastle trio James Perch, Michael Williamson and Cheik Tiote received a card every 202, 214 and 220 minutes respectively. Charlie Adam received a card every 222 minutes, while Steve Sidwell (234), Stephane Mbia (237), Esteban Granero (238) and Fabian Delph (243) all received a card quite frequently last season. Craig Gardner, who received the most cards last season (11) received a card every 258 minutes, while Gary Caldwell (261), Yohan Cabaye (265), Billy Jones (276) and James Collins (277) make up the list of the players to receive a card the most often last season. After looking at which players received a card the most often last season, it is also important to look at how often each of these players entered into challenges last season. Each players minutes per challenge is how often each player made a tackle, entered into a ground 50-50 or an aerial 50-50 last season. Mins Per Challenge, Foul and Card For The Players To Be Booked Most Often Last Season (Minimum 7 Yellow Cards) James Perch committed a foul less often than any other player in this comparison (121 minutes) and entered into a challenge every 8.42 minutes, but only Dean Whitehead and Paul Scholes were booked more often than the former Newcastle player last season. This helps to show that although Perch didn’t commit a foul very often last season, when he did commit a foul it was a bad enough foul to receive a card. It also shows (what most of us already knew) that Paul Scholes can’t tackle, as he committed a foul every 38 minutes, was booked every 110 minutes but only entered into a challenge every 6.99 minutes last season. Cheik Tiote entered into a challenge more often and committed a foul more often than any of the other players in this comparison, which is expected as his role in the Newcastle team is to break up play. This helps to show the difference between James Perch and Cheik Tiote, as although both players were carded frequently last season the difference in how often each player enters into a challenge and commit a foul is plain to see. Players To Commit The Most Fouls 12/13 Grant Holt committed 82 fouls last season, which was more than any other player. This was two more fouls than Marouane Fellaini who committed 80, 8 more than Mikel Arteta who committed 74 fouls last season and 13 more than Bradley Johnson who committed 69 fouls last season. Christian Benteke committed 66 fouls, Morgan Schneiderlin committed 65 fouls, while Kevin Nolan (64 fouls), Papiss Cisse (61 fouls), Claudio Yacob (60 fouls) and Cheik Tiote (58 fouls) make up the top 10 for players to commit the most fouls last season. However, as all these players played a different amount of games last season it is also important to take a look at how often players committed fouls last season. To make it into this part of the comparison the players would have had to commit 40 fouls or more last season. Mins Per Foul Conceded 12/13 (Minimum 40 Fouls Committed) Cheik Tiote committed a foul every 30 minutes last season, which was more often than any other player to commit 40 fouls or more last season. Grant Holt committed a foul every 31 minutes, Carlton Cole and Charlie Adam both committed a foul every 34 minutes, while Marouane Fellaini committed a foul every 35 minutes. Lucas and Steve Sidwell committed a foul every 38 minutes, Mikel Arteta committed a foul every 40 minutes, Claudio Yacob committed a foul every 41 minutes, while both Aaron Ramsey and Christian Benteke committed a foul every 43 minutes last season. Pavel Pogrebnyak (44 minutes), Mousa Dembele (45 minutes), Franco Di Santo (47 minutes), Stephane M’Bia (47 minutes), Shane Long (48 minutes) and Andy Carroll (48 minutes) all committed fouls quite frequently last season. We have also looked at how often these players entered into a challenge last season, as players that enter into challenges more often will tend to commit more fouls. How often these players were booked last season has also been taken into consideration. Mins Per Challenge, Mins Per Foul and Mins Per Card For Players To Commit 40+ Fouls Last Season Not only did Cheik Tiote commit a foul more often than any of the players in the table, he also received a card more often than any other player. Tiote also entered into a challenge every 4.48 minutes which was more often than any of the other centre midfielders in this comparison apart from Lucas Leiva and Marouane Fellaini. However, with Liverpool having 8.6% and Everton having 4.3% more of the possession than Newcastle last season, and with Tiote’s role in the team being to break up play, this is not surprising. Although Charlie Adam was one of the players to receive a card and commit a foul most frequently last season, he only entered into a challenge every 6.29 minutes, which was less often than all of the players in this comparison apart from Franco Di Santo. This helps to show that when Charlie Adam did go in for a challenge last season, it was more likely to be a foul or a card than the other players in this comparison. Andy Carroll entered into a challenge more often than any of the other strikers, while Grant Holt committed a foul and received a card more often than any of the other strikers. Shane Long committed a foul every 48 minutes, which was the same as Andy Carroll but received a card every 722 minutes compared to Carroll who received a card every 388 minutes. Mikel Arteta committed the third most fouls in the Premier League season, but only received a card every 497 minutes. Out of all the other midfielders in this comparison, only Moussa Dembele went longer without receiving a card last season. A lot needs to be taken into consideration when deciding on the ‘dirtiest’ players in the Premier League, as the amount of fouls committed and cards received isn’t enough. It is also important to take into consideration how many minutes each of the players has played during the season, what position they play, how many challenges they enter into during the season as well as how much possession the team they play for averages throughout the season. Teams that have a higher percentage of the possession will obviously have less time to commit fouls and receive cards than the teams that average a lower percentage of the possession, while Strikers and defensive midfielders will tend to commit more fouls as they tend to challenge for the ball more often than other positions. However, Cheik Tiote committed a foul every 30 minutes which was more often than any of the other players to commit 40 fouls or more last season and received a card every 220 minutes. This is mainly down to the role he has at Newcastle, as he is the one midfielder that is expected to break up play and that coupled with Newcastle’s struggles this season, Tiote’s stats are not surprising. His former teammate, James Perch however received a card 18 minutes more often than Tiote last season, but entered into a challenge 3.94 minutes less often than the Ivorian. This is where the argument on who the dirtier player is comes down to your own personal opinion, as it can be argued that James Perch is the dirtier player as more of his challenges result in cards or that Cheik Tiote is the dirtier player as he commits a foul more often. The same can also be said for Charlie Adam, as he has entered into a challenge less often than most of the other centre midfielders in this comparison, but committed fouls and received cards quite frequently. With Stoke only averaging 43.3% of the possession last season and Adam’s role in a Stoke team that received more cards than any other team last season this is not surprising. Another interesting concept that may also have an impact on how often a player has a foul given against them or receives a card is their reputation and relationships with certain referees. Would the same challenge by say Joey Barton and David Beckham have the same outcome? Would Joey Barton receive a card while Beckham gets away scot free? Steve Bennett has booked Dean Whitehead 8 times in 11 games, is this down to Whitehead making 8 bad tackles and deserving yellow cards or has Steve Bennett booked the player on his reputation? It would certainly be interesting to find out. http://www.eplindex.com/36162/dirtiest-players-season-opta-stats-comparison.html#comments Following the discussion last season on what a liability Tiote is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Where is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graing 15 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 He injured his knee in the Africa Cup. You've probably already seen his last game for the Toon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Where is he? He opened a restaurant in Nigeria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Visa complications? Has he got a record for smuggling disco biscuits or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4231 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Visa complications? Has he got a record for smuggling disco biscuits or what? His driving/fake licence convictions by the look of thing. This happened last time we went over there, why do we bother? Surely we can go somewhere nearer with better football teams to play against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12462 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 His driving/fake licence convictions by the look of thing. This happened last time we went over there, why do we bother? Surely we can go somewhere nearer with better football teams to play against This is what I don't understand, it offers no benefit from a training perspective especially as one of the sides is a fucking reserve team for an MLS team. The fans back home can't attend or really watch as games will be at 2am and while Man Utd, Madrid etc are playing each other soon which will be a draw we're playing utter no marks in Milwaukee at a baseball ground so I don't see how that creates/increases any sort of brand recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 297 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yup pointless having friendlies in the US. Nearly as pointless as having Tiote in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9027 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 This is what I don't understand, it offers no benefit from a training perspective especially as one of the sides is a fucking reserve team for an MLS team. The fans back home can't attend or really watch as games will be at 2am and while Man Utd, Madrid etc are playing each other soon which will be a draw we're playing utter no marks in Milwaukee at a baseball ground so I don't see how that creates/increases any sort of brand recognition. Not about training, it's about promoting the Sports Direct brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 To who...? Surely it'd be better promoted against teams who actually bring in a decent amount of fans...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yes this US tour sounds like a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKANDWHITEGEORDIE 0 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yes this US tour sounds like a waste of time. Guess you would rather have a tour of Whitley Bay, Carlisle, Hartlepool, Darlington and York!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I would rather have a tour of NZ actually. One good thing you can say about this US tour is that its less pointless and debilitating than last season's tour down under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2431 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Guess you would rather have a tour of Whitley Bay, Carlisle, Hartlepool, Darlington and York!! He says, to guy that lives in NZ. What a dope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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